masonite
11-19-2008, 10:14 AM
So it looks like Daimler Chrysler, Ford and GM are up shit creek without a paddle, looking towards the good ship congress to pull them back to clearer waters the way they did with other big business. But with public outcry already pretty high regarding wall street, should the big three be pulled out?
Personally, i think something has to be done, but not because of the companies themselves - because of the negative ramifications of not helping them out. Hundreds of thousands of direct job losses will be bad enough, but them supply companies will also suffer and die (we saw a similar thing happen to a few companies here in australia when car sales dipped and mitsu closed their aussie plant). There are business ventures currently going on with the big three and other international companies, who will in turn suffer as the money they've put into joint projects will count for nothing (Mazda have platform sharing with Ford, which undoubtedly will mean they have to cover all of the development costs themselves, gearbox manufacturers will suffer (i believe getrag in the US has already filed for chapter 11 protection, and ZF contributes to Ford and GM, WM Vittori [sp.] have diesel agreements with GM).
Then theres the fact that all of the unemployed probably won't be able to afford any type of car for a while - meaning the cheaper car sales will drop significantly, probably affecting, ironically, some of the big three's biggest competitors, namely Honda and Toyota.
But what happens if there is no bailout? Here's my take on the current situation:
GM - appears to be in the deepest crap, despite having a number of very attractive propositions on the table, along with a sucessful number of divisions. Have very little cash, barely enough to see them through the year, although are trying to free up as much as possible (just sold off the rest of their suzuki shares). They do have profitable divisions overseas though, who are starting to pump out some very nice cars: Holden is doing well, showing how much they can do with a fractio of the money of their parent company, have had the top selling car in Australia for over 10 years and still looking strong despite pressure from petrol prices. Vauxhall/Opel just got eurocar car of the year ( i think that was the publication, or maybe it was europe car of the year? cant remember) by one point over the fiesta, and the astra is now looking like it'll sell great when it comes out with a new platform in a few years. Saab, the black sheep of the GM family, is *finally* getting some updates, actually doesn't look too bad (swedish? stylish? who would've thought? [volvo C30 excepted, which already looks pretty hot for a swedish car]) and is also getting a new 4WD which should push it back into the black thanks to a downsizing US market (although i still find it hard to comprehend that people can "downsize" to a medium SUV). Still, without getting through the next 12 months (or even 6 months) that won't count for shit.
Ford - Not necessarily doing as successfully as GM, but have a turn-around plan that seems to be stemming the bleeding somewhat, although it may still be too little too late. They've had a couple of very successful companies they own (in recent years at least) which is probably the most painful thing for ford - in the future they'd be what made the company incredibly strong, and we were starting to see that (aston, Jag, and rover, Mazda [although Mazda was more independent - Ford owned a large stake but it seemed it was for platform sharing more than actually trying to influence them, which could explain why Mazda are doing so well]) but without the cash to fund their new projects, the profits couldn't make a difference, particularly when the rest of the company was bleeding so badly. So they're gone, along with their profits, ford's share in Mazda has now been cut to about 13%, and they're left basically with their own product line up which is shaky at best.
Daimler Chrysler - Well, they've got the least imagination and the weakest line-up IMO, with very few interesting cars, nothing exciting except stuff which makes zero sense in this day and age (i'm looking at you, truck-engined viper). There are a couple of things which could help them though: firstly, despite how old-fashined it looks now, thanks to oil, the Viper could be sold off as a "brand" - and a very exciting one at that. One that could spawn its own line-up. I think the potential is there, and if theres the right buyer, it could net them some cash. The other desireable thing about Chrysler is one of their brands: Jeep. Anyone who owns that badge could sell cars, and that should make Chrysler as a company desireable to prospective buyers of the entire company.
Personally, i think something has to be done, but not because of the companies themselves - because of the negative ramifications of not helping them out. Hundreds of thousands of direct job losses will be bad enough, but them supply companies will also suffer and die (we saw a similar thing happen to a few companies here in australia when car sales dipped and mitsu closed their aussie plant). There are business ventures currently going on with the big three and other international companies, who will in turn suffer as the money they've put into joint projects will count for nothing (Mazda have platform sharing with Ford, which undoubtedly will mean they have to cover all of the development costs themselves, gearbox manufacturers will suffer (i believe getrag in the US has already filed for chapter 11 protection, and ZF contributes to Ford and GM, WM Vittori [sp.] have diesel agreements with GM).
Then theres the fact that all of the unemployed probably won't be able to afford any type of car for a while - meaning the cheaper car sales will drop significantly, probably affecting, ironically, some of the big three's biggest competitors, namely Honda and Toyota.
But what happens if there is no bailout? Here's my take on the current situation:
GM - appears to be in the deepest crap, despite having a number of very attractive propositions on the table, along with a sucessful number of divisions. Have very little cash, barely enough to see them through the year, although are trying to free up as much as possible (just sold off the rest of their suzuki shares). They do have profitable divisions overseas though, who are starting to pump out some very nice cars: Holden is doing well, showing how much they can do with a fractio of the money of their parent company, have had the top selling car in Australia for over 10 years and still looking strong despite pressure from petrol prices. Vauxhall/Opel just got eurocar car of the year ( i think that was the publication, or maybe it was europe car of the year? cant remember) by one point over the fiesta, and the astra is now looking like it'll sell great when it comes out with a new platform in a few years. Saab, the black sheep of the GM family, is *finally* getting some updates, actually doesn't look too bad (swedish? stylish? who would've thought? [volvo C30 excepted, which already looks pretty hot for a swedish car]) and is also getting a new 4WD which should push it back into the black thanks to a downsizing US market (although i still find it hard to comprehend that people can "downsize" to a medium SUV). Still, without getting through the next 12 months (or even 6 months) that won't count for shit.
Ford - Not necessarily doing as successfully as GM, but have a turn-around plan that seems to be stemming the bleeding somewhat, although it may still be too little too late. They've had a couple of very successful companies they own (in recent years at least) which is probably the most painful thing for ford - in the future they'd be what made the company incredibly strong, and we were starting to see that (aston, Jag, and rover, Mazda [although Mazda was more independent - Ford owned a large stake but it seemed it was for platform sharing more than actually trying to influence them, which could explain why Mazda are doing so well]) but without the cash to fund their new projects, the profits couldn't make a difference, particularly when the rest of the company was bleeding so badly. So they're gone, along with their profits, ford's share in Mazda has now been cut to about 13%, and they're left basically with their own product line up which is shaky at best.
Daimler Chrysler - Well, they've got the least imagination and the weakest line-up IMO, with very few interesting cars, nothing exciting except stuff which makes zero sense in this day and age (i'm looking at you, truck-engined viper). There are a couple of things which could help them though: firstly, despite how old-fashined it looks now, thanks to oil, the Viper could be sold off as a "brand" - and a very exciting one at that. One that could spawn its own line-up. I think the potential is there, and if theres the right buyer, it could net them some cash. The other desireable thing about Chrysler is one of their brands: Jeep. Anyone who owns that badge could sell cars, and that should make Chrysler as a company desireable to prospective buyers of the entire company.