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masonite
12-09-2008, 09:50 AM
So, i've been toying around with the idea of a second car, and since i can't get a bike (parents will kill me before the bike does) I've been looking at the next closest thing (in my mind): a Kei car.


Specifically, a Suzuki Cappuccino.
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u217/masonite2200/cappuccino-wallpaper-1.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u217/masonite2200/Suzuki_Cappuccino_001.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4778/garage/interior.jpg


Normally i loathe convertibles, but this one just does it for me - possibly because its (usually) got a hard top roof. I saw a couple around sydney the other day, and since then i've been unable to stop searching for them, trying to find one.

For those unfamiliar with kei cars, they're basically city cars in japan - the lowest tax bracket that get many benefits in japan's road regulations (such as the ability to park on streets in tokyo without a permit) but which have some fairly strit guidelines to follow:

-must be less than 340 cm long
-must be less than 200cm tall
-must be less than 148cm wide
-must weigh less than 750kg
-must have an engine displacement less than 660cc
-must produce less than 47Kw or power (63 hp).


So, the Cappo weighs in at:

-329.5cm long
-120cm tall
-139.5cm wide
-weighs 700kg
-657cc turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 12-valve, inline 3-cylinder engine (K6A)
-47Kw of power.

It's not super fast, but manages 0-100 in about 8 seconds, which is quick enough to scare most hatches (and give my car a run for its money).

Pros:

-Fuel economy - (gets about 7L/100km on a city cycle, 5.4L cruising on outback roads)

-Handling - Only weighs 700kg, relatively stiff suspension, double wishbones all around (might be singles on the back, but IRS nonetheless)

-Seems to be lots of tuning options in Japan

- Motor apparently has a *lot* of potential - power is limited by regs, rather than what the engine can actually do, power out put can be doubled relatively easily

-From what i can see, relatively cheap - go for about 5 grand for a decent model.

-Revvy engine - redlines at 8,500rpm, engine has reputation for reliability too.


Cons:

-Not actually sure if i can fit in one

- Can't even find one to sit in to work out if i fit in one - bloody rare here in australia.

- Due to low power, and city car purposes, gearing is VERY short - does highway speeds (110km/h) at about 4 grand in top gear...(new difff would fix this, but again, its extra cost...)

-Not sure if local suzuki mechanics will touch it, or how expensive servicing would be

-Importing could be a potential nightmare.


So i want one, i'd like to modify it, but my original hopes of throwing a hayabusa donk under the bonnet have effectively been destroyed by the massive cost (the engine itself is bloody expensive, and has to be pushed back to fit, which means making it sit under the front cross member and cutting through the firewall, which means it required an engineers certificate - also has to be converted to dry sump as sump will sit 1 inch off the road surface otherwise...) but considering the poential of the stock motor, i might keep it instead.

I have no idea who will service it, however, and the costs of importing one and getting compliance might be through the roof - any Aussies tried to import a car? or know someone who has? from what i've read, it seems like compliance is a kind of lucky dip when importing into australia - you might get through easily, or it might cost more than the car is worth. Which is pretty off-putting, to say the least.


Anyway, opinions? anyone had experience with one, or any kei cars for that matter? It's fairly impractical, but i rarely carry much in my current car, and two seats is all i usually need. Economy/performance equation would be great, as long as servicing costs aren't through the roof... The cappo looks pretty cutesy, but i kinda like that - with the right mods, it'll scare the shit out of some much bigger cars. and the handling would be unbeleivable (did i mention its rear wheel drive? ;))

The Dude
12-09-2008, 03:27 PM
I love the Cappuccino, at least ever since I started watching Initial D. I wouldn't import one though. I'm sure you could get a Mazdaspeed Miata for the price of importing one.

Xer0
12-09-2008, 03:52 PM
I love the name but yea, I doubt importing one would be the smartest move. The kei cars are pretty cheap so you'll probably be paying most of the cost of the car just to import it. Instead, why dont you buy those aweasome cars that you Aussies have that the rest of us dont, like the Falcon *grumble grumble*

speed stick
12-10-2008, 02:44 AM
I looked at a few of those when I when choosing my JDM car. They are insanely small. If you can't find one then you could always import one from Japan, always lots available. Its not something I would get though, just too small and its not what I'm into.

masonite
12-10-2008, 08:53 AM
hehehe, well everyone has falcons and comoodores over here, and I'm looking for something a bit different....not to mention they're prety heavy, and just too big for what i'm using it for (mainly a commute into the city, peak hour traffic, which the cappo would be good for). I also like the handling of light cars, going through corners is more enjoyable than flat out.

Well i'm hoping to find one that someone else has already imported....at the moment theres one on an aussie classifieds site going for $5000, but the pictures supplied are of a motorbike. The info is taken from the car, but the rego is from the bike - its fuckin wierd. Ill have a look through some dealerships on the weekend too and see if theres any there (theres a lot of dealers in my area).

Yeh importing would be a last resort, but if i could find a decent example, i wouldn't mind paying an extra couple of grand. Theres a few specialist importers that advertise in car mags over here too, who do compliance and all that shit, but yeh.... could stop it from being worthwhile.

Speed stick, did you import your JDM car? or find one already imported to the US? i know its fairly different to importing to australia, just curious to get an idea of shipping.

I love the Cappuccino, at least ever since I started watching Initial D. I wouldn't import one though. I'm sure you could get a Mazdaspeed Miata for the price of importing one.

hehe, yeh, i had seen them on Gran Turismo, but never took them seriously until i saw it on Initial D. It never crossed my mind before that they have the potential to be a real weapon. If i was going to get one, that'd be the bodykit I'd put on it, too.

Thanks for the replies, guys.

speed stick
12-10-2008, 05:36 PM
I don't live in the US lol. That's why its so easy here. In Canada any car that is fifteen years old to the month of manufacture can be imported from anywhere in the world. And both my cars, the GT-FOUR RC and the Subaru WRX I bought from importers. Its easier to get them to do it because some of them will make sure it passes all the inspections before they sell it to you which saves a lot of time and money. But I was still the first person in Canada to register the cars.

http://www.terra2imports.ca/import-japan122109609081865.htm

Now that's a nice example!

masonite
12-11-2008, 09:19 AM
lol, shit, so sorry! Hope i didn't offend ;)
And your location was right there in front of me.... sorry mate.

Yeh we've got a similar thing, where 15 year old cars are easy to import. But i kinda want a cappo with a K6A rather than the F6A, more torque, a bit lighter, etc. But i guess beggars can't be choosers (and there isn't a great deal of difference either).

Landed vehicle costs of that is offputting....but the car value is impressive.

speed stick
12-12-2008, 08:50 PM
lol, shit, so sorry! Hope i didn't offend ;)
And your location was right there in front of me.... sorry mate.

Yeh we've got a similar thing, where 15 year old cars are easy to import. But i kinda want a cappo with a K6A rather than the F6A, more torque, a bit lighter, etc. But i guess beggars can't be choosers (and there isn't a great deal of difference either).

Landed vehicle costs of that is offputting....but the car value is impressive.

Haha no problem. Well I guess it comes down to whatever you can find yourself. And Japanese cars just hold value better anywhere but Japan haha.

Xer0
12-12-2008, 09:05 PM
hehehe, well everyone has falcons and comoodores over here, and I'm looking for something a bit different....n Turismo, but never took them seriously until i saw it on Initial D.

I would kill for a new turbo 6 falcon.

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Ford/Falcon/2008/2008_ford_falcon_main.jpg

:hump:

masonite
12-12-2008, 11:41 PM
yeh, the turbo falcon is nice, unfortunately It's made the V8's in their range completely redundant - its actually faster (and lighter) so theres a bit of cannibalism going on. But its a great engine, not too many I6's left out there now...

The thing that annoys me is that you guys have V8 muscle cars starting at the same prices that we have base model sedans at....that XR6 turbo starts at about 45 grand i think, which is actually decent value for you guys (about mid 30 grand US). The good news is that the motor was originally going offline in 2010, bu now its secure until 2013 - the falcon, on the other hand, will be lucky to last that long...

Xer0
12-13-2008, 01:09 AM
The Pontiac G8 GT (Commodor with the 6.0 V8 @ 370 hp) retails for 29,995 here. Not only is it a smoking good deal, but its a great car. Unfortunately, GM has sold all of 5 of them.

Yup, that turbo I6 seems to be at the same place as BMW's turbo I6, making the larger engine useless...our Mustang needs it lol.

Smokey
12-13-2008, 06:50 PM
It's not super fast, but manages 0-100 in about 8 seconds, which is quick enough to scare most hatches (and give my car a run for its money).

Cons:

- Due to low power, and city car purposes, gearing is VERY short - does highway speeds (110km/h) at about 4 grand in top gear...new difff would fix this, but again, its extra cost..

doing the second highlighted would kill the first highlighted

masonite
12-13-2008, 10:38 PM
^ yeh, but i figure if i can give it a bit more power (like, double the output) It'd actually be advantageous - with enough power to offset the taller diff i wouldn't be wasting time changing gears as early.


The Pontiac G8 GT (Commodor with the 6.0 V8 @ 370 hp) retails for 29,995 here. Not only is it a smoking good deal, but its a great car. Unfortunately, GM has sold all of 5 of them.

Yup, that turbo I6 seems to be at the same place as BMW's turbo I6, making the larger engine useless...our Mustang needs it lol.

Wrong car at the wrong time, i spose - financial crunch means people can't get loans and can't spend money on cars. It sucks, because it hurts us too - hopefully we can still get export deals to the US once the economy warms up (although i spose GM have to get out of their hole first...)

What sort of 6 is in the mustang?

Xer0
12-13-2008, 11:14 PM
A 4.0L making a, brace for it, 210 hp. Its an old truck engine pretty much and it sucks.

Smokey
12-14-2008, 08:18 AM
true masonite :)

XerO.. the I6 is basically the same engine design out of falcons from the 80s (maybe earlier) just been tweaked over many decades. but an awsome engine (even if it is a ford LOL). me personally i cant go back from a V8 now (good ol Chevy truck motor LOL) pushrod all the way baby. and 1.03 a liter for 98octane im proud to drive a (holden) V8

Xer0
12-14-2008, 08:37 AM
Oh no, I know. I was talking about the V6 mil in the Mustang not the I6 you Aussies get. Its a shame too, I've read great things about that engine.

speed stick
12-19-2008, 08:26 AM
So did you manage to find one yet? Common update us!!

GTAce
12-23-2008, 05:42 PM
Pwnsome Kei-Car!

kei-car-fan
12-24-2008, 01:38 AM
So, i've been toying around with the idea of a second car, and since i can't get a bike (parents will kill me before the bike does) I've been looking at the next closest thing (in my mind): a Kei car.

Specifically, a Suzuki Cappuccino.


Excellent choice.
Though I think the closest thing with 4 wheels to a bike has to be probably an Atom, but Keis are a lot cheaper.


- Motor apparently has a *lot* of potential - power is limited by regs, rather than what the engine can actually do, power out put can be doubled relatively easily
-Revvy engine - redlines at 8,500rpm, engine has reputation for reliability too.


... then the red line goes on for a good ~4Krpm? more (?12.5krpm), lol.
Mine has done nearly 100,000 miles (stock) and engine is sound as a Pound.


Cons:
- Can't even find one to sit in to work out if i fit in one - bloody rare here in australia.


Why not join an owners club like ClubCappo (http://www.clubcappo.co.uk) - we have several Aussie members, including some around Sydney.
And it's FREE.


-Not sure if local suzuki mechanics will touch it, or how expensive servicing would be


Any decent local mechanic you trust will be okay as not many Suzi dealers mechanics have seen them over here in Blighty, never mind over in Aus.
Most parts can be got through discounted club sources (http://www.clubcappo.co.uk) locally, or from Japan or England.


-Importing could be a potential nightmare.


As I understand it, you cannot rego an import without a compliance cert thingy in Aus, and the ONLY company to have one no longer trades and it is unlikely another will bother due to costs.
The only legitiate way to import one is through immigration as a "personal import" which isn't an option for an Aus resident (unless you've had one whilst living abroad for over a year?)


So i want one, i'd like to modify it, but my original hopes of throwing a hayabusa donk under the bonnet have effectively been destroyed by the massive cost .........but considering the potential of the stock motor, i might keep it instead.


There is a new 'busa kit, though not cheap.
The stock engine can be easily and safely tweaked to nearly double power as you say, or you could either order a direct replacement such as a Stage2 engine, or a new K6ab.
Remember the stock F6a still delivers 97HP/litre which is a lot more efficient than a lot of V6's & V8's and the car weighs only 725Kg.

There are many tweaks available, including recent Aussie supplied Adaptec ecus.
You'll find lots of help, advice and discounts on the FREE club site (http://www.clubcappo.co.uk).

masonite
12-28-2008, 10:10 AM
^^ thanks for that, i've visited the site whilst googling for cappos, i might join up and see how others around sydney got their hands on their own examples.

Sounds like there's a dedicated community out there, i just have to figure out whats best (ie cheapest) in terms of getting my hands on one...