Forza Motorsport 3 [Archive]

OG_Monkey

06-03-2009, 05:01 AM

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Title: “Forza Motorsport 3”
Availability: October 2009
Publisher: Microsoft Game Studios
Developer: Turn 10 Studios
Format: DVD for the Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system; Xbox LIVE-enabled
ESRB Rating: E for Everyone
Pricing: $59.99 U.S. (ERP)
$79.99 U.S. for Limited Collector’s Edition

Product
Overview: Whether it’s an exotic sports car like the new Audi R8 V10, a classic American muscle car like the Ford GT or a hot Asian import like the Nissan 370Z, everyone has a dream car. Now you can drive that dream with Turn 10’s latest racing epic. Launching this October exclusively for Xbox 360, “Forza Motorsport 3” unites the racing game genre, making it possible for everyone to experience the thrill of the world’s most exotic and exquisite cars. Live the most realistic racing experience ever as you take the wheel of more than 400 of the most-beloved cars on over 100 renowned real-world tracks and exotic road courses from around the globe. With breathtaking high-definition graphics and the most advanced vehicle performance modeling in a video game, “Forza Motorsport 3” includes a host of driving assists and adjustable skill levels to make the game a gripping pick-up-and-play experience for audiences of all ages and skill levels.

Read More (http://xboxevolved.e-mpire.com/article/Forza_Motorsport_3/5519.html)

speed stick

06-04-2009, 06:04 AM

Looks cool but I found Forza 2 to be too much of a hardcore sim for my liking surprisingly.

Freeman_JI

06-04-2009, 01:06 PM

I like the more clean GT look of Forza 3 now. Car damage and flipping was impressive. Hopefully the art car creation is a little easier to master let us use text who cares if people have swears all over gota expect that crap online.

Did Forza 2 have text input? Im going 1-to-3

Mitri

06-04-2009, 01:51 PM

you could make words on it. it has letters in different fonts.

but has anyone heard about it being 2 discs? http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/991/991474p1.html i found that interesting because reminds me of something i said a long time ago. back when everyone was debating about how ms could work with the dvd format limitations.

also i think this is a major reason they'll be releasing that downloadable games. any thoughts?

OG_Monkey

06-04-2009, 02:13 PM

Oh yeah there was a rumor about that two disc thing a few months back, guess it was true

cliffbo

06-04-2009, 09:37 PM

Report: 360’s DVD format falling behind?

Rob Crossley Today, 6:43pm

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Forza 3 shipping on two discs, questions surround Metal Gear Rising’s capacity, while MS kills off Blu-ray possibilities

Three and a half years since it launched, the Xbox 360’s modest DVD format is now struggling to keep up with demands of modern game development, and the solution may not be as simple as “put disc 2 in tray”.

Forza 3 will soon ship on two 360 discs, with one holding the core product and another hosting additional content. However, news site Joystiq reports that, because of the two-disc set-up, not all 360 owners will be able to access all the game’s content.

At the same time, questions are being placed on whether Metal Gear Rising will be able to fit on a single dual-layer DVD; Kojima once infamously stated that Sony’s Blu-ray format wasn’t big enough to fit in everything MGS4 had to offer.

Forza 3 developers Turn 10 has confirmed how the full Forza 3 experience will work. The additional content on disc two will be downloaded and stored on the Xbox 360’s hard drive. The game itself will run from the core content on disc one and, as the game is being played, data from the hard drive will be accessed to provide the additional content.

But the 360’s basic Arcade SKU, of course, doesn’t come with a hard drive; a near-certain indication that 360 Arcade owners will not be able to play the full game.

Turn 10’s John Wendl promised that “even disc one is bigger than any other racing game out there.”

When Microsoft released its HD-DVD Drive – which could read discs with a capacity as large as 30GB – in November 2006, the company made it clear that the format would not likely be used for game production.

Peter Moore, Xbox’s former corporate VP of worldwide marketing and publishing, said in January 2006 that the company would consider employing a Blu-ray add-on if the HD-DVD format ever failed to develop.

Ever since Microsoft ceased manufacturing of the HD-DVD hard drive in February 2008, the company has continually distanced itself from the possibility of employing a Blu-ay device.

On Monday at E3, the firm announced that the Xbox will soon be able to host live streaming 1080p video on demand, in what the company called 'instant on' 1080p, thus seemingly replacing one of the main advantages that Blu-ray offers consumers; much more space for much more detail.

With key reasons to turn to Blu-ray extinguished, it is now likely that the Xbox 360 will forever remain tethered to its DVD-9 format. Just over a third of the way into Microsoft's promise of a ten year support cycle, size problems are not going to get smaller for the company.

http://www.developmag.com/news/32098/Report-360s-DVD-format-falling-behind

OG_Monkey

06-04-2009, 11:58 PM

really cliff...really? There's only a few reasons why you would post here...and you just showed it.

JasonXe

06-05-2009, 12:42 AM

I got o play the demo, took a bunch of pics. Pretty cool looking game, Feels a bit less sim but overall look pretty good. Better environments and all.

Freeman_JI

06-05-2009, 01:07 AM

Require a HDD for gameplay sure that gets around the limits of 7gbs of space.

cliffbo

06-05-2009, 10:21 PM

really cliff...really? There's only a few reasons why you would post here...and you just showed it.

well i have been talking about the advantages of having a standard hard drive for quite some time and if it hadn't been for certain 360 fans (not you) calling me an idiot for suggesting it will eventually become a problem, i wouldn't have posted that. it's really a reminder to those who continuously do that to me rather than a dig at MS

jaxmkii

06-06-2009, 12:54 AM

really cliff...really? There's only a few reasons why you would post here...and you just showed it.

im happy to see MS devs using the install option! this effectively uncapps the multiplaform size limitations and will help to improve multiplaform games on the PS3.

cliffbo

06-06-2009, 09:40 PM

im happy to see MS devs using the install option! this effectively uncapps the multiplaform size limitations and will help to improve multiplaform games on the PS3.

very very good point Jax!!!

AC!D

06-06-2009, 11:13 PM

well i have been talking about the advantages of having a standard hard drive for quite some time and if it hadn't been for certain 360 fans (not you) calling me an idiot for suggesting it will eventually become a problem, i wouldn't have posted that. it's really a reminder to those who continuously do that to me rather than a dig at MS

Yeah but it wasnt OG who gave you shit about that it was Wounding Chaney in the Console sales thread if i remember correctly.

Anyways OG is right theres no need to post stuff in game threads that dont interest you. I hope he takes his own advice in the PS3 threads though with the Meh! thing in evey PS3 exclusive game thread.

woundingchaney

06-07-2009, 12:27 AM

WoundingChaney is actually one word.

As far as having a standard hard drive I dont see your point here. They are utilizing the hard drive even though it isnt standard (which they have been doing for some time now). There are advantages to having a standard hdd but that doesnt seem to be an obstacle here. Obviously developers are taking advantage of it. One could say that they are arguably splitting their userbase but the game itself will play on either system so no consumer is left out. I imagine the game will sell well regardless how one views it.

AC!D

06-07-2009, 03:36 PM

Yes yes we know you think X-box owners can have a full experience without an HDD and Cliff is a dreamer and was wrong. You are always right yada yada... i think we know the routine by now.

sam

06-07-2009, 03:51 PM

I never played Forza 2, only the first one.

I think they managed to grab my attention rather well for a racing game - In my opinion It's a bit hard to intrigue any audience through a trailer in this genre.

I like the possibilities which the video mode unfolds.

woundingchaney

06-07-2009, 06:04 PM

Yes yes we know you think X-box owners can have a full experience without an HDD and Cliff is a dreamer and was wrong. You are always right yada yada... i think we know the routine by now.

I believe I have always said that a standard hdd is an advantage and I dont recall ever saying that a user can get the "full" experience without the hdd. I also believe that I have said since the beginning MS would eventually move to multi-disk titles (though they are very rare). What I dont believe is this ridiculous spin on things that an hdd-less 360 is the end of the world or BD must exist in a console for it to be successful (which is usually the way it is presented).

OG_Monkey

07-01-2009, 06:02 AM

New screens (http://www.xboxygen.com/Medias/Images-Xbox-360/Forza-Motorsport-3-les-voitures-japonaise)

Freeman_JI

07-02-2009, 01:21 AM

don't know if you guys have seen these ones.

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8105/xanavir35fm3vsreal.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2e67fjq.jpg

XboxEvolved

07-02-2009, 01:05 PM

Damn Forza 3 looks pretty nasty. Also, something I would like to point out about it being 2 disc with the content on one being downloaded onto the HD, chances are it is 2GB or less (the biggest DLC for 360 so far I think is 1.6GB and that is for GTAIV) and if you are going to be playing such a hardcore balls to the wall sim like Forza 3, what the fuck are you doing buying an Arcade unit? The chances of someone buying Forza 3 that also own an Arcade SKU is pretty slim.

Not to rant, as I love Gran Turismo also (my favorite PS franchise after MGS) but Turn 10 will have made 2 incredible games on par and in many areas better than GT when Polyphony has done what? Made a over glorified demo and might get the latest one out this year? What the fuck is taking them so long?

frosty

07-07-2009, 12:37 AM

The chances of someone buying Forza 3 that also own an Arcade SKU is pretty slim.

Don't be so sure. Not all gamers are as educated. My friend who owns a core, for instance, was salivating over this game. Now I have to tell him he can't play it unless he forks over cash for an overpriced hard drive.

Made a over glorified demo and might get the latest one out this year? What the fuck is taking them so long?

Considering GT5 is like 3 racing games in one, I can understand why it has taken so long. You have a fully fledged NASCAR game, an offroad rally racing game, and then there's the supercars like the lambos and lotuses (basically what we've grown to know as a GT or forza game), all in one package.

BTW, having played this game, don't believe those screen shots. They're far from in game, super touched up. The in game visuals are nice, but you see some muddy textures in the backgrounds as well as a lot of aliasing (jaggies) at times. That said, they are on par I'd say with GT5 prologue, though GT5p looks a bit more realistic (forza uses brighter colors that make it look more animated). Forza wins against it in the background department though. If GT5's trailer is anything to go by though (made of in game replay footage, just like forza's), GT5 will hold the visual advantage.

On Monday at E3, the firm announced that the Xbox will soon be able to host live streaming 1080p video on demand, in what the company called 'instant on' 1080p, thus seemingly replacing one of the main advantages that Blu-ray offers consumers; much more space for much more detail.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. a 5mbps 1080p stream looks like total shit (I encode them all the time for the web, I know what i'm talking about) compared to a 30-54mbps 1080p stream. Not only that, but few broadband connections (save for in major cities) actually maintain a speed greater than 5mbps. Their way around that is by dynamically reducing the resolution as your connection speed drops below 5mbps, so there's times (like during prime time hours, when everyone is trying to access the net at once) when you won't even be getting HD at all, much less full 1080p. A cool idea, in theory, but it's far too soon to actually realize it in practice. The internet just isn't ready for decent instant 1080p streaming. And for it to start instantly, you won't be seeing 1080p when the movie starts. It'll start off sub 1080p and work it's way up as it buffers the 1080p stream. Add to that the fact that it also has to buffer the other lower resolution streams all at once, and you might not get to actual 1080p until well into the movie.

Kiwi

07-07-2009, 12:41 AM

BTW, having played this game, don't believe those screen shots. They're far from in game, super touched up. The in game visuals are nice, but you see some muddy textures in the backgrounds as well as a lot of aliasing (jaggies) at times.

Just bear in mind that the Forza 2 demo was completely different to the finished product.

curryking1

07-07-2009, 12:45 AM

^^You forgot the 1000 different models of Mitsubishi Lancer Evos!!!

Well said btw frosty.

I dunno why, but it seems every time a PS3 screenshot comes out, it's immediately 'inspected' for evidence of touching up (e.g. a super high resolution or anti-aliasing).

Never seems to happen to 360 titles lolll. Those shots, I think, are a little touched up. Way too much contrast too. Like frosty said... it gives a 'game' or animated look rather than an impression of realism.

frosty

07-07-2009, 01:01 AM

Just bear in mind that the Forza 2 demo was completely different to the finished product.

Yeah, possibly the case here, but we still won't see the level of AA and such as we do in those screens. There isn't a jaggy to be seen anywhere in those, which simply won't happen on any system this generation.

Xer0

07-07-2009, 01:07 AM

Forza 3 looks good but it still has nothing on GT5 from a visual perspective.

This next post isn't mine, its by a poster named 565 on another forum I frequent (carspin.net). However its a great post that pertains to this discusion.

I think the biggest problem is the lighting in Forza. I don't think the car models are actually that inaccurate (though still worse than GT), it's just that GT really just has car lighting down, and Forza really just doesn't. You could have the most accurate car models in the world and bad lighting will ruin it.

Take those Forza 3 screen shots, there is really no sense of a single light source, everything just sort of seems uniformly lit. Take that shot of the R8 from the back. That gleam over the 4 rings makes the paint look almost statin, which is okay if the high gloss flanks didn't contradict it. Also there is no strong sense that the sun is to left (judging from the shadow).

Compare it to a GT5 prologue shot (a game that is already out).

Click link below to see image.

http://www.threespeech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/004.png

It's amazing how well GT5 has lighting down. You can clearly see the contours of the R8's front end defined by the strong light source to the left. It just looks.... real.

Also here is a video comparing GT5 prologue in motion to Forza 2 (I know it's an older game, but we have to go with what is already released)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UMyBQAWVAk&feature=fvw

You can see that when the back of the Forza car goes into shadow, it just sort of gradually darkens. The gleam at the front of the car in Forza is exaggerated as well. Compare that to when the shadow casts across the back of the GT5 car. There is a defined shadow that moves across accurately. The raised tail lamps will actually cast little round shadows as the shadow line moves across the back of the car, that is just brilliant. The shadow over the license plate in the GT5 car changes realistically as the lighting moves around, that shadow is non existant in the Forza car.

There are also many other details that GT5 just does better.

The rear glass of the GT5 car varies in transparency as the light hits it in different ways revealing more of the engine and cockpit. The Forza rear window just sort of uniformly reflects.

The vents on the side of the GT5 car are visible at times in the changing light while they remain black strips in the Forza car.

The rear exhaust pipes of the GT5 car gleam nicely only when the light hits them. The rear exhaust of the Forza car stick out way too much and don't look right in the light.

When the brake lights come on in the GT5 car, only the outside lights up, just like the real car. In Forza the entire circle lights up.

I could go on and on. I think the point is that the GT5 guys that designed that F430 racing around must have spent time just watching a real F430 race around a track, obsessing over every detail. There is not other way to get such amazing accuracy. In the end the result is that it looks real, and I think Wow everytime I see it.

Forza on the other hand looks and feels like it's a game. I'm sure it's a very satisfying game, but there isn't that same obsession over detail. There isn't that wow factor.

As a gamer, it is the gameplay that matters and I'm sure Forza is a great game. Their studio has been efficient in pushing out full games while Polyphony puts out a demo. But I get the feeling that the people that designed the GT5 car models and lighting were real car guys like us, not just video game programmers. It takes someone that truely appreciates the beauty of automotive sheetmetal to nail every curve, every detail, and every caress of light on that Ferrari so well. I get the feeling the game was designed by people that stop to oggle every nice car on the street, that have dream cars on the desktop, people that really appreciate cars beyond it being their job to make a racing game.

curryking1

07-07-2009, 01:58 AM

^That's why I'm always frustrated when people insult me or others for their affinity to Gran Turismo, or at least our praise for it's visuals.

Maybe we can't always accurately describe 'why' it looks better, because we are not really computer science majors or 3D artists all of us, but there is a way in which to a lot of people that Gran Turismo just takes the cake in terms of visuals.

And it's stuff like that above in Xero's post.

Even Gran Turismo 3 and 4 had art and colour in such a way that it had it's own look that made it look less like a game than all other racers.

Xer0

07-07-2009, 02:03 AM

Oh shit, I didn't realize how big that picture was ><. Its pushed the edit button off my screen so I can't take it out. Can any mods maybe just place a link to it so that it doesnt stretch the post so much?

curryking1

07-07-2009, 03:20 AM

^Just host it on tinypic.com or something. It produces a thumb and a direct link so you can do it yourself.

Or just add it as an attachment.

Xer0

07-07-2009, 03:36 AM

The problem is its stretched the edit button outside of my screen; I have no access to it that I know of unless there is another way.

Kiwi

07-07-2009, 03:59 AM

You can't scroll horizontally?

frosty

07-07-2009, 04:01 AM

fixed.

curryking1

07-07-2009, 04:13 AM

You can't scroll horizontally?

I only play by the rules!

Xero just h-scroll man lol. Anything too wide just gets a bar at the bottom to scroll.

Fats

07-07-2009, 08:32 AM

sam

07-07-2009, 09:47 AM

I'm actually impressed with how forza is giving GT a run for its money here.

I couldn't make a decision with that comparison vid.

Freeman_JI

07-07-2009, 11:27 AM

Did I hear someone say that the chances of someone buying Forza with an Arcade SKU are slim? Why? I own an arcade, I'm too lazy to read, how's it going to affect my ability to play Forza? Oh, I just read, I HAVE to buy an HDD? Fuck that..

If your semi computer litterate / confident you can try the tutorial bellow

Upgrade to 120GB For Cheap (http://www.pcworld.com/article/150970/upgrade_your_xbox_360s_hard_drive_on_the_cheap.htm l)

of course you'll still need a 20GB HDD on ebay they are fairly cheap $40 AU so like what $32 US or so? of course its a pain that you have to do such a thing in the first place esp since MS is rolling out 360 game DL's and with support for full installs a HDD is a must for anyone but ultra casual users. I've also seen cheap 120GBs on ebay probably counterfits made using the above tutorial.

arthur

07-07-2009, 11:40 AM

Don't be so sure. Not all gamers are as educated. My friend who owns a core, for instance, was salivating over this game. Now I have to tell him he can't play it unless he forks over cash for an overpriced hard drive.what do you mean he cant play this title? he can play it, all he will not be able to do is access the extra cars and tracks on disc 2. does it mean that he will not be able to play career? hell no, he will, it is going to be something dynamic. it is no different with what was done in gears where people with access to live were able to access the extra maps.

i dont think you ever followed the game, or the interviews that were given, did you?
Considering GT5 is like 3 racing games in one, I can understand why it has taken so long. You have a fully fledged NASCAR game, an offroad rally racing game, and then there's the supercars like the lambos and lotuses (basically what we've grown to know as a GT or forza game), all in one package.
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GT has always taken long
BTW, having played this game, don't believe those screen shots. They're far from in game, super touched up. The in game visuals are nice, but you see some muddy textures in the backgrounds as well as a lot of aliasing (jaggies) at times. That said, they are on par I'd say with GT5 prologue, though GT5p looks a bit more realistic (forza uses brighter colors that make it look more animated). Forza wins against it in the background department though. If GT5's trailer is anything to go by though (made of in game replay footage, just like forza's), GT5 will hold the visual advantage.
sure, they are, but doesnt GT also do this in photomode?
I have seen the game run, and truth be told, the cars look just as good as in GT5, the lighting is what is different, and the environs better.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. a 5mbps 1080p stream looks like total shit (I encode them all the time for the web, I know what i'm talking about) compared to a 30-54mbps 1080p stream. Not only that, but few broadband connections (save for in major cities) actually maintain a speed greater than 5mbps. Their way around that is by dynamically reducing the resolution as your connection speed drops below 5mbps, so there's times (like during prime time hours, when everyone is trying to access the net at once) when you won't even be getting HD at all, much less full 1080p. A cool idea, in theory, but it's far too soon to actually realize it in practice. The internet just isn't ready for decent instant 1080p streaming. And for it to start instantly, you won't be seeing 1080p when the movie starts. It'll start off sub 1080p and work it's way up as it buffers the 1080p stream. Add to that the fact that it also has to buffer the other lower resolution streams all at once, and you might not get to actual 1080p until well into the movie.why not wait for it to fail then make these comments, tech improves with time dude

XboxEvolved

07-07-2009, 04:09 PM

Dustin, just to let you know those features that GT5 has, are in Forza as well...also I completely understand that there are idiots out there. Personally, I feel the Arcade unit is annoying every so often, simply because it lacks a HD. Still, your friend is likely a minority.

Fats

07-07-2009, 04:16 PM

Kiwi

07-07-2009, 04:43 PM

Yes, you need a hard drive to play Burnout online.

frosty

07-07-2009, 07:35 PM

I've looked and can find no mention of WRC or NASCAR in Forza 3.

D3adcell

07-07-2009, 11:32 PM

I dunno why, but it seems every time a PS3 screenshot comes out, it's immediately 'inspected' for evidence of touching up (e.g. a super high resolution or anti-aliasing).

Never seems to happen to 360 titles lolll.

Thats because it's the people in the sony forum that are going crazy over the technical stuff and inspecting it. Nobody on the xbox boards really do that. I don't know what it is but some people are just obsessed with that shit and it can at times ruin a game as they are not looking at it as a game that could be really fun to play, but from a technical standpoint instead.

Kiwi

07-07-2009, 11:35 PM

No matter where you go, people do it, and I really wish they wouldn't. It's pathetic.

Freeman_JI

07-08-2009, 12:05 AM

Well they've lost out on a sale because I'll have to spend £60+ for an extremely overpriced 20GB HDD. Seriously.. What a crock of shit. My friend around the corner has an arcade too. Imagine going out and buying an Arcade SKU and being penalised by not being able to play certain games to their full extent.

Didn't I read somewhere that you need an HDD also to go online with Burnout Paradise?

22 Pounds ebay 20gb (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Xbox-360-20gb-hard-drive_W0QQitemZ150357538352QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_V ideoGames_VideoGameAccessories_VideoGameAccessorie s_JN?hash=item230201f630&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1687|240%3A13 18|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50) I'm not going to push the issue again but you don't need to buy everything from those scam EB games shops.

Fats

07-08-2009, 12:06 AM

Used, I'll pass on that.

Having said that I'm sure I could push for a new one for £40. Yey.

I'll just wait for GT5 lol.

XboxEvolved

07-08-2009, 12:18 AM

So you are telling me that Gran Turismo has the official license for NASCAR? Link?

Kiwi

07-08-2009, 12:41 AM

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/movie/d3283.html

I'm guessing they wouldn't be able to use the NASCAR and WRC logos unless they had some kind of agreement with them. There articles all over the place about them getting the rights for it. It was announced at E3.

frosty

07-08-2009, 02:16 AM

Yeah, they've licensed the ability to use both.

Thats because it's the people in the sony forum that are going crazy over the technical stuff and inspecting it. Nobody on the xbox boards really do that. I don't know what it is but some people are just obsessed with that shit and it can at times ruin a game as they are not looking at it as a game that could be really fun to play, but from a technical standpoint instead.

Well, I can see a point in marveling over technical achievement, so long as gameplay isn't forgotten or tossed on the back burner. Half of my joy in gaming is seeing people pushing the technical envelope farther than ever before, as I'm a technophile of sorts. I enjoy seeing my PS3 do things I never thought it could. GT5 is providing just that (as is forza, it's doing things I never thought I'd see 360 do). However, it by no means is an excuse to ignore gameplay. It's a fine line you have to walk. Respecting the gameplay aspect while still marveling over the technical achievement.

D3adcell

07-09-2009, 02:46 PM

It's a fine line you have to walk. Respecting the gameplay aspect while still marveling over the technical achievement.

There are quite a few though that like to push that line.

XboxEvolved

07-09-2009, 02:59 PM

Yeah, they've licensed the ability to use both.

Well, I can see a point in marveling over technical achievement, so long as gameplay isn't forgotten or tossed on the back burner. Half of my joy in gaming is seeing people pushing the technical envelope farther than ever before, as I'm a technophile of sorts. I enjoy seeing my PS3 do things I never thought it could. GT5 is providing just that (as is forza, it's doing things I never thought I'd see 360 do). However, it by no means is an excuse to ignore gameplay. It's a fine line you have to walk. Respecting the gameplay aspect while still marveling over the technical achievement.

Just to comment on this, there was a similar situation last generation with the original Xbox. Xbox fans were a minority and would talk about the technical advantage of the Xbox but the PS2 had the games advantage. There were also a lot more vocal Xbox fans than PS2 fans a few years back and my older forum database that I sold off has 22,000 members, and it talks about just Original Xbox (most of the last post in the forum are from 2004, 2005). So it gives you an idea that most of the membership is not there for Xbox 360.

Another way you could look at it is, in the time it took GT5 to come out, we are seeing two different Forza games, the last one had incredible customization that I have yet to see in any car game on any system (were talking I have a Hersh that looks like the Ghostbusters car customization all the way down to the stripes and "Call Us" on the side of it.

OG_Monkey

07-09-2009, 06:22 PM

Forza 3 might not include the above features, but it will include a hell of a lot more.

Turn 10 announced Forza 3 at Microsoft's E3 press conference with a short five second trailer, but then followed with incredibly impressive gameplay footage.

It's the first in the series to feature a cockpit view, and will include over 400 cars, many of which have yet to be announced.

There's been a few rumours that the game will also introduce a weather system, night racing and even off-road rally racing like Gran Turismo 5's inclusion of World Rally Championship.

However, Turn 10 community manager Che Chou has come out to refute those claims (at least for now) on the official Forza MotorSport 3 forums: "No weather, night racing, or rally in the game."

That said, the game will likely include most of your favourite cars, with Chou adding:

"Any car is up for grabs. Just because we haven't announced/shown it doesn't mean it won't make it into the game. We're just trickling out info."

The amount of effort put into all aspects of the game, from physics to graphics, can be seen in the following developer diary when Turn 10 went to visit the Le Mans race track in France.

Forza MotorSport 3 will release this October exclusively for the Xbox 360

http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/game-types/driving-and-racing/forza-3-no-weather-night-racing-or-rally-$1310204.htm

frosty

07-09-2009, 07:14 PM

Well, so far GT5 is clocking in at double that amount of cars, with night racing, weather, rally, nascar... they really seem to be going all out on this one. That said, it's been so damn long that if they don't get it out this year I will have officially lost interest.

My favorite thing about the GT series is the ridiculous amount of detail they put into the game. The features mentioned above, as well as the photo realistic visual style of the game (see the pic below... just fucking incredible) all come together to form a unique experience that no other racer has shown for me yet. The vehicle paint customization and such in forza 2 was very cool indeed, though I'd like to see more attention paid to customizing the actual car (adding or tuning the internal components).

Anyway, as I said about ridiculous amount of detail, have a look at this... and this is from the "glorified demo" called GT5 prologue. They actually bother to put in details you simply won't even see unless you REALLY look for them. Goes to show their love for cars.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9729/dsc00414s.jpg
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/923/dsc00417djp.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5291/dsc00419o.jpg

Now THAT'S one high resolution vehicle model!!! Even zoomed in that much you still can barely see the polygons that make up the headlamp, and the text around the ring is still smooth and perfectly readable.

OG_Monkey

07-09-2009, 07:32 PM

This is the Forza Motorsport 3 thread. ;)

Kiwi

07-09-2009, 09:48 PM

Yea, leave GT out of this, there's a perfectly good thread for that stuff.

frosty

07-09-2009, 11:31 PM

the discussion has been about forza and gt5 for some time with no bitching, so why start now? you even posted about it yourself in this very page matt... many of the posts in this thread, even from the xbox folks, have mentioned GT in some form or another, so calling me out on it is ridiculous. 17 of the 54 posts in this thread have made mention of GT or Gran Turismo...

There's nothing wrong with comparing visuals of the game that claims to be the best looking racer of this generation with the game that currently holds that title. since forza's devs have made it a point to draw such comparisons, we aren't straying from topic when discussing GT's visuals in this thread.

curryking1

07-10-2009, 03:33 AM

Thats because it's the people in the sony forum that are going crazy over the technical stuff and inspecting it. Nobody on the xbox boards really do that. I don't know what it is but some people are just obsessed with that shit and it can at times ruin a game as they are not looking at it as a game that could be really fun to play, but from a technical standpoint instead.

To be fair though... it's not really us Playstation fans on the forum. It's just outside the forum, the whole internet seems to come down like crows on every PS3 screenshot if it's out of line with the absolute, indisputable (apparently) idea of what a screenshot shold be, as if there were online guidelines about how they should be produced.

We never point out faults out of trying to destroy PS3 games. Usually if someone points it out here it's just a realistic observation. Virtually all of our PS3 fans in the PS3 forum only do it to point it out to others.

On the internet outside of here though, it's really just haters complaining and fanboys defending... but that doesn't apply in the PS3 section here so much. We're pretty much all interested in the way frosty described: we're totally loving the technical strides but we always have concern and the same interest in the game itself.

I didn't mean to try and describe any behaviour here because no one here really acts like a hater, rare exceptions notwithstanding :P

I personally don't care whether a screen has AA or not. We on the forum here pretty much know what to expect from this or that type of game. Unfortunately, outside the forum people aren't so keen with games though and it's pretty annoying :(

Kiwi

07-10-2009, 05:03 AM

the discussion has been about forza and gt5 for some time with no bitching, so why start now? you even posted about it yourself in this very page matt....

All I did was answer a question, and I'd hardly call what I said "bitching".

Your post is basically just "oooooh look how amazing Gran Turismo is!", and nothing else.

XboxEvolved

07-10-2009, 08:16 PM

Anyways, has anyone heard about any of the achievements yet?

OG_Monkey

07-10-2009, 08:23 PM

4 months till release..hmm we could try and ask. Hell maybe even try for an interview

OG_Monkey

07-11-2009, 07:45 AM

http://xboxevolved.e-mpire.com/images/media/FM3_Ferrari_F430.jpg

The Rest of the images (http://xboxevolved.e-mpire.com/media.php?gameid=1007)

HolyPaladin

07-15-2009, 04:35 AM

I don't personally care about all the Forza 3 versus Gran Turismo 5 nonsense because I intend to get both anyway. So, if Forza 3 is better than GT5, if GT5 is better than Forza 3, or if both are roughly equal, either way I win because I'll be enjoying both.

OG_Monkey

07-15-2009, 04:46 AM

Ahhh, the qualities and traits of a multiplatform gamer. Only way to really win this generation and stay neutral.

Kiwi

07-28-2009, 02:51 AM

Forza Motorsport 3's swanky Collector's Edition detailed

http://bulk2.destructoid.com/ul/141593-fm3header.jpg

The hotly anticipated Forza Motorsport 3 is getting a real classy Collector's Edition. So classy, in fact, that it's referred to as a "Limited Collector's Edition" and can only be found at GameStop in the United States. Alright, so the part about GameStop brings it down a notch, but seriously, look at how the box folds open! Styling.

The package, which demands a mighty $79.99 price tag, comes with the following: ten exclusive cars, a keychain, a 2 GB USB flash drive, and an Xbox 360 theme. Buyers also become a VIP member, and Turn 10 is promising to create VIP-only car designs in the future.

Those of you who are way into cars and want to know exactly which vehicles you get from the Limited Collector's Edition can go here for a full list. I should also mention that if you pre-order the game, you'll be given a sexy fan-designed Audi R8 V10.

Oh, and Forza 3 will be launching on October 27. I could have sworn that date was already revealed back at E3, but I might be mistaken.

Image gallery (http://www.destructoid.com/elephant/photo-m.phtml?post_key=141593)

Source (http://www.destructoid.com/forza-motorsport-3-s-swanky-collector-s-edition-detailed-141593.phtml)

Greg

07-28-2009, 06:00 PM

That might be a collectors edition that's actually worth buying.

frosty

07-28-2009, 06:09 PM

Kiwi

08-06-2009, 11:37 PM

Some more images (http://www.destructoid.com/elephant/photo-m.phtml?post_key=143069) for your viewing pleasure.

Freeman_JI

08-07-2009, 03:16 AM

Those of us who can't afford both, but still care to know what the best driving sim out there is.

But its a moot point to compare if said individual will only own / maintain 1 console, and thus regardless of critical acclaim for either title has already made up his/her mind so to speak.

Freeman_JI

08-26-2009, 07:05 AM

Bump new pics.

Forza 4 will have a real shot for Photo Realistic In game visuals I dare say.
http://i30.tinypic.com/t6cri8.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/2m801ec.jpg

OG_Monkey

08-26-2009, 07:38 AM

hot damn :drool:

I just hope they didnt fuck with the drift mechanics of this game. Or maybe there is actually an official drift mode this time around; all we ever did online was drift. Fuck racing

Kiwi

09-11-2009, 06:09 PM

Forza 3 Gone Gold, Demo Due September 24

A downloadable demo of Turn 10's Xbox 360-exclusive racer Forza Motorsport 3 will hit the Xbox Live Marketplace come September 24, publisher Microsoft announced today.

The single-player demo will let players race five different cars on the Camino Viejo track, and then compare their lap times to those of others care of the online leaderboards.

Microsoft also noted that the game, which boasts "more than 400 cars on over 100 tracks," has now gone gold and is such "entering its final lap" before hitting European retailers on October 23 and North American stores on October 27.

As for the five cars contained in the demo, the list follows below:

# 2007 Porsche #80 Flying Lizard 911 GT3-RSR
# 2010 Audi R8 5.2 FSI quattro
# 2009 Ferrari California
# 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR
# 2009 Mini John Cooper Works

Source (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/60412)

speed stick

09-11-2009, 06:15 PM

I'll be dowloading the demo for sure. I didn't like forza 2 much so I can't see myself buying this one. But since I'm such a car freak I think I will fold.

Raitei

09-12-2009, 02:09 AM

release is so farrrrr

Kiwi

09-12-2009, 02:51 AM

Don't worry, GT5 may be out by then ;)

OG_Monkey

09-12-2009, 02:58 AM

More like PS4 will be out before GT5.

Anyway good news on the demo, can't wait to try it out. As long as I can still drift my ass off, all is well.

frosty

09-12-2009, 03:04 AM

^They're already talking about GT5 PS3 Slim bundles, so I wouldn't be so sure. They've even advertised a "Q4 2009" release date.

Demo Due September 24

Funny, one day before those crazy rumors that are most likely lies said GT5 was launching in the UK.

Kiwi

09-12-2009, 03:05 AM

More like PS4 will be out before GT5.

Anyway good news on the demo, can't wait to try it out. As long as I can still drift my ass off, all is well.

Hopefully they won't do the same thing that they did with the Forza 2 demo.

JasonXe

09-12-2009, 03:11 AM

im a sucker for racing games. :-(

OG_Monkey

09-12-2009, 03:18 AM

Hopefully they won't do the same thing that they did with the Forza 2 demo.

i didnt even know there WAS a forza 2 demo...I just picked up that Marvel/Forza combo I told Jason about becuase it was just so damn cheap lol

JasonXe

09-12-2009, 03:35 AM

marvel game wasn't worth it.

jaxmkii

09-12-2009, 03:54 AM

http://i28.tinypic.com/2m801ec.jpg

thats a bullshot if i eversaw one.

Kiwi

09-12-2009, 03:55 AM

i didnt even know there WAS a forza 2 demo...I just picked up that Marvel/Forza combo I told Jason about becuase it was just so damn cheap lol

Probably a good job you didn't try the demo before the game. The demo did a massive injustice to the game.

OG_Monkey

09-12-2009, 04:31 AM

haha

Raitei

09-12-2009, 04:49 AM

thats a bullshot if i eversaw one.

like every pr screenshot of a game...ever...

look at the ratchet thread for more

Kiwi

09-12-2009, 06:18 AM

Intro vid (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/intro-forza-motorsport/55855)

OG_Monkey

09-12-2009, 06:44 AM

Drag racing O_O

Drag Racing!

Drag Racing!?

DRAG RACING!

DRAG RACING!!!!

Mitri

09-12-2009, 11:24 PM

just a question. but did anyone notice that there's drag racing? SWEET

GTAce

09-12-2009, 11:26 PM

Unfortunately the drag racing wont contain warming up the tyres and staging.

Freeman_JI

09-13-2009, 02:04 AM

Woo Hoo Media Blowout

Real Time In Game Intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8R4ZkdHHJc)

Gameplay, 60fps in car now (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/pax-09-forza-motorsport/55852)

Digital Foundry Test trailer and 60fps claim (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-forza-3-performance-blog-entry)

OG_Monkey

09-13-2009, 05:52 AM

Alright think its time I pre-order this

iSDK

09-13-2009, 01:49 PM

Unfortunately the drag racing wont contain warming up the tyres and staging.

or the obligatory tractor pulls on off days lol

jaxmkii

09-14-2009, 05:30 AM

Intro vid (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/intro-forza-motorsport/55855)

lulz at stock charger pulling wheelies... its so realistic.

Freeman_JI

09-14-2009, 08:02 AM

lulz at stock charger pulling wheelies... its so realistic.

Who says its stock?!? ;) more compression, titanium valves, forged pistons, ect. A donkey car if you will (a stock looking car outside with some tough internals)

The fact is although this game has "probably" (qualifier I have not played this game) alot of realistic attributes its not what I'd call a SIM. Maybe a Lite-Sim if you could even call it that.

Unfortunately the drag racing wont contain warming up the tyres and staging.

I'd say this would require the game to have a completely different tyre model for DR as the attributes of the tyres literally change in a matter of milliseconds as well as the extreme tyre flex and temp change; and it would have to simulate that whole "Hooking up" aspect of ultra sticky rubber. Though as i've said above this is not a Hardcore to the enth degree SIM by any means.

JasonXe

09-14-2009, 08:16 AM

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frosty

09-14-2009, 08:16 AM

I've only played a brief demo of it, and while it did feel like it was aiming for that GT sim like feel, I can't really say for sure.

JasonXe

09-14-2009, 09:17 AM

I've only played a brief demo of it, and while it did feel like it was aiming for that GT sim like feel, I can't really say for sure.

Well it has two previous iterations to build upon.

The only difference i noticed was that it was a bit easier to drive. Environment isn't barren anymore which the biggest plus. Other than that it was the same old forza.

OG_Monkey

09-17-2009, 02:58 PM

http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/news/article/10878/Forza-3-250-HDD-Xbox-360-Elite-bundle-details.html

First MW 2 and now Forza 3. If you want to get involved with the Elite Xbox 360 experience this Winter well now you can with Turn 10's racer. £249.99 is the price of entry.

PRESS RELEASE:

LONDON – 17 September 2009 - Xbox 360 today announces the release of the ultimate entertainment experience for petrol-heads and racing fanatics, the Xbox 360 Forza Motorsport 3 Super Elite Bundle. Exclusive to Xbox 360, Forza Motorsport 3 is the definitive racing game for everyone from hardcore tuners to anyone who’s ever dreamed of driving at full-throttle. Backed by breathtaking HD graphics and bone-jarring physics, players take the wheel of more than 400 of the most-beloved cars on over 100 renowned real-world tracks and exotic road courses from around the globe, while new customization and sharing tools will further fuel the imaginations of the thriving “Forza Motorsport” community on Xbox LIVE.

Racing to UK stores on the 23rd October, the Forza Motorsport 3 Super Elite Bundle features more storage space than ever before coming complete with a 250GB Hard Drive, two Xbox 360 Wireless Controllers, as well as an Xbox 360 Headset and a Standard Edition copy of Forza Motorsport 3 for an estimated retail price of £249.99.

Kiwi

09-18-2009, 08:53 PM

Forza 3 Passion video (http://www.gametab.com/news/3120323/)

JasonXe

09-18-2009, 09:14 PM

Hello kitty car ftw!

forza 2:

PH4LVk4m4Mk

OG_Monkey

09-24-2009, 11:38 AM

Add the demo to your queue here (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/games/offers/0ddf0001-0000-4000-8000-00004d538861?cid=SLink)

AC!D

09-24-2009, 11:50 AM

Got give props to these guys. It looks good.

frosty

09-26-2009, 06:25 AM

Some complaints are coming in about the damage system in the game.

- You crash head on into another car and all what you will see is paint scratches and minor dents
- You hit the rear right light in the car in front of you then the other one simply broke even you didn’t touch it (you can see this in the video below at 2:15)
- Any accident no matter how awful it is, can’t affect the length of the chassis. (also in the video at 2:40... notice no crumpling like you see in games like burnout... instead all you get is a dented up fender/bumper)
- Lights sometimes survive a huge direct hit, while they may be broke in a silly indirect collision.

nhOALP6GAQI

To be fair though, the damage system shown on GT5 at gamescom (not sure about TGS though) featured less than impressive damage modeling also.

JasonXe

09-26-2009, 06:37 AM

i mention that on the e-mpire e3 vid. I wasn't impressed by the damage system at all. Though I don't expect it to have race driver grid damage system, i atleast except the windows to break.

I haven't tried the demo out but my favorite racer is still pgr3.

XboxEvolved

09-26-2009, 07:18 AM

Something that has up until recently, been unique to Forza is it is a quality SIM with damage modeling. The damage modeling shown is what you should honestly expect simply because, even though its a SIM if it goes to overboard then, a Ferrari going 140MPH headfirst into a wall won't just "dent" that iwll end the race. While that is somethign you can have as an option, if others continue to go they need to at least have a car that has some kind of shape.

Anyways Forza 3 is looking decent, and I am glad it is delivering where Forza 2 didn't.

frosty

09-26-2009, 07:23 AM

While that is somethign you can have as an option, if others continue to go they need to at least have a car that has some kind of shape.

They do it in games like Burnout and Motorstorm all the time. Doesn't have to end the race, just cost a penalty and start again with a new car. However, for the more diehard sim fans, it should be left in as an option to end the race for online races if the damage gets too bad.

you know, part of being a good racer is not tearing your car up. a game that punishes the wreckless will reward good drivers. And it isn't just about the damage modeling's effect on driving, but how it looks. GTA4 had better looking damage modeling. When you hit something, it dented realistically. The best so far is burnout though.
Gt5's looked OK, but still needed a lot of work.

XboxEvolved

09-26-2009, 08:21 AM

The irony of what you are saying is the most unrealistic in terms of driving are the ones have the best car damage models. These cars also run way better than they would in real life in the first place.

frosty

09-26-2009, 05:58 PM

^they have the best visual damage modeling (dirt and grid are still king though), but they do not feature physical damage modeling (as if how it effects the car's driving). forza has the physical damage modeling, but it is capped at not allowing you to destroy your car, and the visual modeling needs work also. GT5 also did not show the ability to destroy the car completely at gamescom, so both have a ways to go. one doesn't have much time though.

edit: seems like they've updated gt5's damage a bit.

Now, for starters, there's going to be deformation damage -- scratches and stuff -- for all normal cars, but race cars are going to take hits hard in a way that will cause doors and side panels to tear completely off.

To put these differences to the test, I took the Subaru racer out on the track and began wildly smashing into walls. At first, it looked like nothing was happening until, finally, the passenger door popped open as I sped around the raceway. I was a bit underwhelmed and went to jerk the car into the left wall, but as I made the move, another ride flew up and clipped my front end.

When the spinning was over, my bumper was hanging on by a thread.

Eventually, I'd get into a few more fender benders and have my rear bumper hanging from one side as well. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get either bumper to completely breakaway. Still, the car looked all sorts of screwed up.

When I climbed into the Ferrari and the Benz, I got to see how the other half lived. I slammed the rides into tire piles, rammed other cars, and grinded along guardrails; the only damage I could see were superficial cracks and scuffs on the fenders, sides, and hoods -- you know, like people had scratched away the paint.

I'm going to smash you!
I'm going to smash you!
Now, even though the Subaru looked like death and the Benz/Ferrari looked scratched up, all three drove like crap after the accidents. Whereas I could fly around in the rides beforehand, now I felt tension in the wheel when I'd be driving down a straightaway and cornering was tougher than ever.

I'll admit it: I had a hell of time wrecking these cars today. Slamming into orange plastic and watching it get kicked up in the air is fun, the smoke from a spinout is refreshing, and I'll be damned if I'm not going to knock off every bumper I can when Gran Turismo 5 is released.

Looks to be on par with forza, but they're not allowed to show actual damage simulation for some cars (certain car manufacturers don't want you to know exactly how easy those expensive rides tear up). glad to know they kept the performance penalties intact anyway.

This is one reason I love forza... it has finally lit a fire under polyphony's ass and we're getting a better GT because of it.

Anyway, about Turn 10... why can't they just stop talking shit about what others do not have and focus on what forza does have? They see GT5 with them outdone in every way, and so they start talking shit. They've been talking shit since the day Forza 3 was first shown to the public. "No racing game looks better" was one of the first things the dev said. Now we have "no racing game is within years of forza 3".

http://n4g.com/ClickOut.aspx?ObjID=401447

Seriously? GTA5's feature list, within months from now, has forza 3 beat in every way. More tracks, more than double the amount of cars, weather effects, Head tracking, visuals that most agree are better.

Never once have I heard polyphony come out and say "we're the best ever at" anything. I have heard them say they are the definitive racing sim, that's about as far as it has been. Instead they focus on talking about their own game.

Turn 10 should do the same. It's a much better way to sell your product. If it is truly quality stuff, it will sell itself.

masteratt

09-28-2009, 03:58 AM

JasonXe

09-28-2009, 04:05 AM

well they were in game, just in replay mode where it looks 2x better. Gt does the same shit.

masteratt

09-28-2009, 04:08 AM

I don't want to go in a debate here about this but the way I see it, at least when you play GT, you can validly compare most parts to those shots released online.
Forza 3 turns into a new game almost between online screenshots released and actually playing.

curryking1

09-28-2009, 04:21 AM

AC!D

09-28-2009, 03:31 PM

Ever since their E3 presentation, I hated Turn 10 for the reasons you have listed.
98% of their time is spent talking dirt.

And also they lied, they said those photograph screenshots released were in-game because they were "just that damn good" (yes they said that) then I play the demo and I'm like "what. the. fuck".
It doesn't look bad but it's NO-WHERE near those shots released, no where near. Not even one aspect you can point to and say "ah that kinda looks like the quality in the screens."
They are dirt talking, self-wanking douchebags as far as I'm concerned.

I do thank them for this though:

You are not the only one that feels that way......Turn 10 responds to Forza III graphics complaints (http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-6894-SF-Console-Game-Examiner~y2009m9d28-Turn-10-responds-to-Forza-III-graphics-complaints)

The demo of Forza Motorsport 3 was released on September 24th for the Xbox Live Marketplace. Although the Xbox 360 exclusive racing game may be a huge hit with many gamers already, there were some complaints regarding the game’s graphics. Che Chou, the community manager of Turn 10, was kind enough to address some of the concerns across multiple game forums.

Here is his response to a claim that the in-game graphics of Forza Motorsport 3 are different than the ones found in photomode:

"One clarification about photomode and screenshots we've released so far. Aside from the added effects such as AA, DOF, and motion blur, all assets you see in photomode are the same although I do stand corrected on one factor which is the player car. They do have higher detail in photomode while all other cars, the environments, etc. are exactly what you see in game. And as you know in replays everything is the same. Anyway, did not mean to mislead or 'play dumb' with earlier statements as I misunderstood how LODs were being used in the various modes. That said, many of the screenshots we've released thus far have used the in-game graphics car models since we often shoot a scene including cars that aren't the player car. <shrug> It all looks good and representative of the game, imo."

Here is his comment on rather or not the graphics would be the same in the final build of Forza Motorsport 3 and if the game will have better anti-aliasing:

"The demo is visually representative of the full-game so racing in-game won't look much different.

I don't see that many jaggies on my multiple TVs at home and at work, but everyone's setups can be varied."

Finally, here is his overall response to all of the complaints over the graphics:

"I guess that's the thing. Overall, when I'm racing around the track, my eyes are not bleeding. I am a fairly big graphics ***. I love taking photos in photomode. Games with bad graphics distract me from my experience. That said, when I play FM3, I do not think about how awful the graphics are or low in-game car models, etc. simply because the overall effect is that the game looks good. Can it look better? Yes, totally and I agree it is not perfect. But does it justify the vitriol of some of the threads I've scanned this morning? I'm not sure that it does. Everyone has their own opinion on the matter and that's fine and there's not much I can say except I hope you'll give the final game a chance and have fun with it."

GTAce

09-28-2009, 03:42 PM

well they were in game, just in replay mode where it looks 2x better. Gt does the same shit.

Actually youre wrong here.
GT5Ps car models and textures are the same, always.
In FM3 you cant even see the interior detail from the outside, also not in the replays, only after you exported the clips (30 seconds each afaik) or in photomode you get the high LOD models, which sucks, especially when you consider that the game has only 8 cars on track, 2D texture backgrounds and runs only in 720p. This is what you get when you release a game with such a scale every 2 years.

masteratt

09-28-2009, 08:49 PM

lol NOW that they have been pwned, they act all nice and "oh i hope you give our game a chance :'("

And they just basically called themselves liars, which is nice for me because it backs my previous claim.
They said those shots released were how it looks because they are "that damn good" (yep again, they did indeed say that) now they change it to "oh that IS the game but with [list of loads of effects] added....>_>"

What happened to the "BEST FUCKING RACING GAME EVER! WE ARE THAT DAMN GOOD!" attitude......

Anyway I have no problem with the game, just the developers and their douchebaggery.. so yeah anyone who decides to drop money on this, have a good game, enjoy etc.

Freeman_JI

09-29-2009, 05:20 AM

JasonXe

09-29-2009, 06:57 AM

It will be there if FM3 out "scores" GT5.

You PS3 fans need to relax and stop blowing your load over this, all I see are PS3 insider members in the Forza 3 thread now.

I get the same underlying feeling if you read thoroughly through each of their posts. Though i guess they're mad at the devs bragging but are indirectly rubbing it in on us (if you look at it on the other side of the spectrum).

Picking over the two then forza for me. I need my hello kitty and zelda car so the game can have some personality. Afterward i spend a day or two tuning the shit out of them so people will feel shame as they lose to the pink cat of fury!! Haha Ferrari, say hello to my Audi catoupe from hell! I hope they get multiplayer right out of the box and not freeze up when searching. Was such a bad bug ugh..

XboxEvolved

09-29-2009, 07:21 AM

You can't add whatever graphics to Gran Turimso 5 on your cars? I guess they are going to have to wait another 5 years for that feature huh? Anyways, I can't knock GT to much, I loved Gt1-3, although I heard 4 was a bit of a disappointment, especially in contrast to Forza.

Kiwi

09-29-2009, 07:27 AM

I wouldn't say GT4 was a disappointment compared to Forza, more of a disappointment compared to GT3. As far as I remember, all they really did was add in new cars, nothing else changed. Been a while though, I may be wrong.

I miss the option in the first GT where you could have those sporting paint jobs for your car, even the crappy second hand ones.

JasonXe

09-29-2009, 07:41 AM

i miss gt3 that came with the ps2. The controls were aweful like balancing on a tightrope but it was fun back in the day. It made me fall in luv with the dodge viper gts.

XboxEvolved

09-30-2009, 12:25 AM

Yes I too have fond memories of GT3 and I think I played it more than any other PS2 game..does anyone else remember the GT3 Snoop Dogg song?

Kiwi

09-30-2009, 12:27 AM

Yea :laugh:

Vj4A8_tCMF4

curryking1

09-30-2009, 12:57 AM

That song was awesome!

'...S2000, silver and black...'

GTAce

09-30-2009, 02:44 AM

Wasnt in the PAL version though. 8(
I wouldn't say GT4 was a disappointment compared to Forza, more of a disappointment compared to GT3. As far as I remember, all they really did was add in new cars, nothing else changed. Been a while though, I may be wrong.

I miss the option in the first GT where you could have those sporting paint jobs for your car, even the crappy second hand ones.

Actually, in GT3 they skipped lot of features like used cars etc.
GT4 had the used cars back, it had the amazing photomode, a new physics system, you could buy spoilers for the cars (bit meh though, nothing like in Forza), mission races and some more, just people who didnt want to see the new stuff were disappointed. The race modifications were awesome in GT1 and 2, but imagine how long it wouldve took them to model that stuff for GT3 and 4.

Forza 3s community features will be great (although 30 seconds per exported video is a bit short) and i cant wait to see some custom liveries. Even without owning the game, its cool to see what people can do with it.

JasonXe

09-30-2009, 03:02 AM

http://news.filefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/forza_1.jpg
http://news.filefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/forza_2.jpg

OG_Monkey

09-30-2009, 05:32 AM

pfft, all about that Dragonball:

http://www.thebitbag.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/forza1.jpg

Anyway, as far as graphics go for this game; wow was I immediately um...shocked. The environments look great compared to forza 2 but something about the actual cars and everything else was just...off and ugly. But the gameplay is solid though

JasonXe

09-30-2009, 09:03 AM

frosty

09-30-2009, 11:06 AM

Anyway, as far as graphics go for this game; wow was I immediately um...shocked. The environments look great compared to forza 2 but something about the actual cars and everything else was just...off and ugly. But the gameplay is solid though

I noticed this at E3, but nobody wanted to listen to me. That, and the jaggies were pretty fierce.

Honestly, none of this would matter to me at all had I not watched turn 10 strut out on stage and brag about having the best looking racer ever, when there were already products on the market that looked as good (Grid, Dirt, Dirt 2) or better (GT5 prologue).

They obviously have a great game on their hands, regardless of how it stacks against GT in the features department. Slinging dirt against the competition shows lack of confidence, the need to try to drag them down to your level so to speak. If they would have focused on just their game, and it's features, I would feel totally differently about this game. Turn 10 just rubbed me the wrong way. Then the whole stunt with the turn 10 employee flame-spamming neogaf only made that worse.

GTAce

09-30-2009, 12:58 PM

OG_Monkey

09-30-2009, 02:27 PM

i wish they didn't deleted the porn cars :-(. Someone made a anime girl and her bootie was the back side of the car. He was the result of a lot of crashes for obvious reasons. Oh well... I have a really nice anime car but idk if i ever took a pic of it. I'll post a picture of it tomorrow (checked the site).

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x263/Blaze929/Games/animeforza2.jpg

It amazes me how you can make all of these designs with just fucking Geometry figures and paint.

XboxEvolved

09-30-2009, 08:40 PM

Yeah the painting mode and all the online features in Forza alone is enough to make A LOT of people get it. This stuff is nuts to me. I could probably do stuff like this, since it all just uses layers and actually works a lot like Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop combined in many ways, but I don't have the patience to do it.

OG_Monkey

09-30-2009, 08:44 PM

it all just uses layers and actually works a lot like Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop combined in many ways, but I don't have the patience to do it.

EXACTLY Basically just layers but man, some of the designs are like building those Gundam models where you had the commercials of the people saying how long it took them to build it:

Gundam Wing - 6 Hours

RX-78-2 Gundam - 8 hours

Forza 2 Car -12 hours

I could never have enough patience to do it.

Mitri

10-01-2009, 03:35 AM

neither could i. the best thing i could possibly do was my name.

does anyone know if this will support the camera to place your own stuff on it?

frosty

10-01-2009, 03:56 AM

^this is the reason I wish GT5 would focus on such customization. After seeing the motion controller demo, and how they were able to have so much precision they could write their names and even control the angle and pressure of the brush, it would be perfectly suited for this.

XboxEvolved

10-01-2009, 08:54 AM

Such basic features would take at least 3 years to be implemented in a GT game though frosty. Maybe by PS5 they will have gotten it down?

Kiwi

10-09-2009, 05:10 AM

Forza review (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/review-forza-motorsport/57471)

JasonXe

10-09-2009, 08:08 AM

i don't think they even mention the whole tuning aspect of the game. That's a big part to overlook but it is definitely worth retail price :-D

Freeman_JI

10-09-2009, 10:38 AM

I can't see the review crappy Sat connection ATM. (some give a synopses?)

Either way I finally got to DL the Demo, actual initial impressions were not so great on my 40"" display I though that the Alising was a bit harsh, (I thinks its 2XMSAA - correct me if I'm wrong) The environment I saw was very nice and the game play car driving feel was really great. (played on Hard -Custom with All assists off bar one I think it was traction control)

Its much easier to keep your car on the track compared to previous Forza versions were you would spin or loose traction all to easily. Cars look great esp the Dash view which is drivable in - so many games have a dash view but your view is too obscured to be useful, Turn 10 has nailed that aspect but again I have a Widescreen display so your mileage may vary.

The rewind feature I immediately loved this will reduce the amount of frustration I have with racing games 10 fold. I HATE driving a long race DOMINATING the entire thing then getting cliped by overzealous AI all to close to the end. In a game where you need to WIN every event (something no real world driver can do) this feature just plain makes sense. I also like how smooth the rewind is and it slowly bring you back into the race once you hit play again :)

Cant really comment on the sound since I don't have a receiver (yet) but everything sounded authentic enough.

I have no doubt this will be the best racing game on the market on release. (though SIMBIN fans might say different)

Freeman_JI

10-11-2009, 08:47 AM

http://www.gamerankings.com/xbox360/948030-forza-motorsport-3/index.html

Forza reviews are streaming in enjoy.

{bump}

sam

10-11-2009, 02:10 PM

Can't wait to get it. I'm going to draw a big dirty cock on the side of my first car.

sam

10-14-2009, 05:02 PM

Saw a promotion just up the road from my place today. Some girl, who was far to fit to have honestly ever played the game, was there going on about how great it is.

I'll be honest here, I was more interested in the forza branded lambo behind her.

Freeman_JI

10-15-2009, 12:34 AM

Destructoid Review: 10/10

http://www.destructoid.com/destructo...3-151853.phtml

Forza Motorsport 3 is the new king of racers. I can safely say that I've never played a better racing game. Scalable difficulty lets anyone play, making sure that everyone from novices to pros have a good time.

http://www.farleftside.com/misc/misc2008/happy-dog.jpg

WolfmanNCSU

10-19-2009, 10:02 PM

I am not a big fan of racing games, but I did grab a cheap copy of Forza 2 and had a great time with it playing online with friends. Because of that, Forza 3 will be one of the first racing games that I will go out and purchase on release day.

OG_Monkey

10-26-2009, 03:31 AM

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/10/26/japanese_forza_3_cars/

http://www.andriasang.com/blog/2009/10/26/japanese_forza_3_cars/2132396132.jpg

http://www.andriasang.com/blog/2009/10/26/japanese_forza_3_cars/2132396130.jpg

http://www.andriasang.com/blog/2009/10/26/japanese_forza_3_cars/2132396129.jpg

http://www.andriasang.com/blog/2009/10/26/japanese_forza_3_cars/2132396135.jpg

http://www.andriasang.com/blog/2009/10/26/japanese_forza_3_cars/2132396131.jpg

http://www.andriasang.com/blog/2009/10/26/japanese_forza_3_cars/2132396128.jpg

http://www.andriasang.com/blog/2009/10/26/japanese_forza_3_cars/2132396133.jpg

http://www.andriasang.com/blog/2009/10/26/japanese_forza_3_cars/2132396134.jpg

JasonXe

10-26-2009, 04:04 AM

http://www.andriasang.com/blog/2009/10/26/japanese_forza_3_cars/2132396130.jpg

Kojima car of doomzzzz

Probably a snake car somewhere.

WolfmanNCSU

10-26-2009, 05:13 PM

I wonder how long it will take from when I pick up my copy of Forza 3 tomorrow until someone gifts me a car with naked anime chicks all over it.

cliffbo

10-26-2009, 06:30 PM

that paintwork feature is very good. i can see that feature becoming all the rage as more and more fans buy this game

jaxmkii

10-26-2009, 06:59 PM

that is cool...

AC!D

10-26-2009, 07:57 PM

Nice!

curryking1

10-26-2009, 08:13 PM

Ya holy ***t, that Koji Pro one is really well done.

JasonXe

10-27-2009, 12:18 AM

i remember seeing some sick cars on Forza 2.

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OG_Monkey

10-27-2009, 12:37 AM

yeah i so dont have the patience for this

but still yet simply amazing

jaxmkii

10-27-2009, 02:26 AM

lol i would be a dick and make a GT5 car and race it online!

frosty

10-27-2009, 02:38 AM

yeah, a polyphony digital car. i'm sure someone already has.

WolfmanNCSU

10-27-2009, 03:56 PM

Anyone pick up their copy yet? Grabbing mine right after work on the way home. Looks like we know what I am doing tonight.

D3adcell

10-27-2009, 04:07 PM

Anyone pick up their copy yet? Grabbing mine right after work on the way home. Looks like we know what I am doing tonight.

Looking at naked anime girls on a forza car?

WolfmanNCSU

10-27-2009, 07:12 PM

Only if I receive one as a gift. I am not good enough at racing games and won't have enough money to auction a naked anime car for quite sometime.

HolyPaladin

11-01-2009, 09:03 AM

Anyone pick up their copy yet?

I ran in to Wal-Mart at 3:00 AM Tuesday morning to pick it up. Unfortunately, work made sure I had no time to spend with it until the end of the week, but I've been able to log a handful of hours since then. I even got my wife to play it a little bit ago, and she dislikes racing and hates racing sims. I toggled all the assists and difficulty to make it as accessible for her as possible.

OG_Monkey

11-01-2009, 06:53 PM

I played just a bit of the game a few days ago; gonna run it up some more later. I actually...enjoy it. I dunno if it becuase I played alot of Need for Speed Shift earlier but I never really had a liking to these real racing sim type games - always liked the street racing Midnight Club type stuff

WolfmanNCSU

11-03-2009, 03:17 PM

Achievements are so much easier in this Forza than its predecessors.

OG_Monkey

11-03-2009, 03:57 PM

yeah i can tell. my bro and another friend of mine has been unlocking them left and right

frosty

11-03-2009, 06:05 PM

Might want to go pick up that copy... from the looks of it sales for this title have been less than spectacular.

OG_Monkey

11-03-2009, 11:06 PM

and your point?

GTAce

11-04-2009, 08:46 PM

The shop system with selling liveries and logos etc. is neat.
Its fantastic what some people can do with the livery editor. :thumbl:

frosty

11-04-2009, 09:27 PM

and your point?

does there have to be one? I just saw a headline stating that that morning.

OG_Monkey

11-05-2009, 04:19 PM

Ok so I've been trying out online mode since yesterday and WHAT...THE...FUCK Turn 10!? They completely RUINED it. Any reviewer who gave this game over a 9 should be shot, stabbed, and beaten to death. Definitive my ass, Forza 2 is better than this game online.

The reason I'm so upset is becuase the online multiplayer was hands down THE biggest part of Forza 2. Now in Forza 3...some idiots decided to completely remodel it and yank any freedom we used to have away and only go by predetermined laps, settings, etc. Wtf?

Review snippet:

There are no options to configure when searching for games (other than the class you want). You can't host a Public lobby (that anybody can join) and so there are no game options for setting up a public lobby. Races are always the same: Damage: Cosmetic, Collisions: On, End Race Timer: 30 secs, Grid Order: Random. Tracks just play in Alphabetical order. If someone in the lobby doesn't want to do a track they can vote to skip it. When the majority of the lobby agrees with him - the track is skipped. Players can also vote to boot any other player - so if you win consistently then be prepared to be booted!...yes, no joke. Once a race ends (and everyone is back in the lobby) then next race doesn't start until 1 Minute 29 seconds have passed (the timer is displayed). Sometimes when you search for a game you get put in a lobby with 5 secs on the clock so you don't have any time to select a car or tune (so you automatically start in a crappy car).

Man....the single player in this game is pretty amazing and the racing is very well done. But I'm seriously dissappointed in the online.

Freeman_JI

11-06-2009, 12:00 AM

Well that sux, I guess if enough people are complaining on the Turn10 boards we may get a patch. :questionmark:

OG_Monkey

11-06-2009, 12:15 AM

I don't even think a patch can fix this dude; they like completely...ruined it. Like, its completely revamped and redone. If a patch can do it then itll be one hella big patch. Hmm...well actually all they need to do is put back the option to choose settings. Maybe a patch can do it.

JasonXe

11-06-2009, 01:55 AM

let the complain committee commence.

Post my babies
http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/default.aspx

OG_Monkey

11-07-2009, 06:34 PM

http://xboxevolved.e-mpire.com/images/content/reviews/Forza%203%20Top%20Story%20Review.jpg (http://xboxevolved.e-mpire.com/article/Forza_Motorsport_3/5865.html)

Kiwi

11-17-2009, 07:08 PM

Forza 3 Gets Some DLC

After launching to universal fan and critical acclaim on Oct. 27, the “Forza Motorsport 3” engine is still firing on all cylinders as today marks the release of the “Hyundai Genesis Coupe Car Pack,” downloadable for free on Xbox LIVE Marketplace. Additionally, Turn 10 and Microsoft are giving fans even more reasons to celebrate with the “Hot Holidays Car Pack” Game Add-on, including 10 late-model year cars available on Dec. 8.

The “Hyundai Genesis Coupe Car Pack,” now available for free on Xbox LIVE Marketplace, includes the Rhys Millen Racing Red Bull Hyundai Genesis Coupe, the HKS Genesis Coupe, and a one-of-a-kind “Forza Motorsport 3” Genesis Coupe. Now fans have the opportunity to expand their already-epic “Forza Motorsport 3” car rosters and experience for themselves several iconic variations of the 300-horsepower Genesis Coupe.

The “Hot Holidays Car Pack,” releasing Dec. 8 for 400 Microsoft points, will feature some of the world’s most anticipated super cars and purpose-built race cars of 2010, including the recently unveiled Ferrari 458 Italia. To give players a taste of the “Hot Holidays Car Pack,” the brand new 2010 Audi S4 will be available as a free download.

Since each of the vehicles in the “Hot Holidays Car Pack” comes with its own fanfare and unique place in motorsports’ present and future, the team at Turn 10 will be unveiling and diving deeper into each car over the next two weeks on Forzamotorsport.net. Auto aficionados should be sure to tune in for daily photo trivia contests to guess the model, make, and year of each car, with the chance to win real prizes and other in-game rewards within “Forza Motorsport 3.” Check Forzamotorsport.net for more info on this and all future Game Add-on news.

Kiwi

12-08-2009, 08:00 PM

Forza 3 Tops 1 Million Units In First Month

Microsoft says the Turn 10-developed, Xbox 360-exclusive racer Forza Motorsport 3 has topped 1 million units sold worldwide.

The game launched in North America and Europe on October 27 and 23, respectively. Since then, players have logged over 6.6 million collective hours playing online across over 64 million play sessions.

Now, the team is offering new downloadable cars for the game alongside the milestone, as a commemoration of sorts.

Forza 3, which seeks to hybridize the sim genre with some more accessible arcade elements, already contains more than 400 vehicles, and now users can buy a holiday car pack for 400 Microsoft Points.

Included in the 10-car pack are a Ferrari 458 Italia, a Nissan GT-R Spec V, and a Mercedes SLR Stirling Moss, among others. Microsoft says another car pack will launch early next year, timed alongside the North American International Auto Show.

Source (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/26427/Forza_3_Tops_1_Million_Units_In_First_Month.php)