Oh yea, more 9/11 conspiracy. Yet this one...

[C.J.]

Is the single best one I have read yet.

Go on, all you bandwagon patriots, explain it. Please.

Oh, and its a long read. If you're going to bitch about it, get out now.

9-11, THE EXPLOSIVE TRUTH REVEALED

It was a picture perfect day in September. I was watering some plants on my terrace and enjoying the unseasonably warm weather when I heard the sound of a plane flying low. Within seconds I watched in horror as the unthinkable unfolded, right in my backyard!

The shock was overwhelming. My first thoughts was that it was a terrorist attack. This was confirmed by the news reports of Al Qaeda. But one thing the reporters left out was something I witnessed first hand. A very important omission at that!

Seconds before the South Tower crumbled to its doom, I heard/felt a series of explosions. Same with the North Tower. There was no denying it, I could FEEL the vibrations of them like a small earthquake. Yet when I turned on the news none of the other eyewitnesses commented on this.

Indeed, in the days that followed, like many Americans, I remained glued to the news networks to keep myself informed of any developments and confirm what I had witnessed. But despite the numerous eyewitness accounts, there was still no mention of the explosions.

I decided to examine the evidence for myself…

THE OFFICIAL STORY



The above is an image of a towers cross-section provided by our good friends at BBC news. Here is the link if you wish to read the publicly accepted theory of what happened.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1540044.stm

In a nutshell, this article claims that the collapse of the towers was direct result of the plane crashes, whose fires blazing hot from the jet fuel, created temperatures in excess of 800C and caused the steel supports to melt, leading to the towers collapse. Case closed.

Although the news networks gobbled this story up instantly, I had my doubts ever since they failed to report the explosions.

It was time to do some serious homework to figure out what actually happened…

My first question was

HOW TOUGH WERE THE TOWERS?

A lead engineer who worked on the WTC expressed shock that the towers collapsed from plane crashes. Lee Robertson, the tower's structural engineer, addressed the problem of terrorism in the plans for the building, claiming he “designed it for a (Boeing) 707 to hit it.”

Lets examine Mr. Robertsons handiwork a bit more and take a look at how these towers were made…



Those 4 cranes you see in the photo, are perched atop the central support core of the tower. This core is built of sheer concrete reinforced by 44 beams of construction grade steel which were sealed in asbestos. As you can see, it takes up the majority of the towers footprint.

Here is a more accurate sketch of the floorplan…



Compare it to the BBC version..



Funny how millions of people will see this drawing with 4 steel beams and think it is accurate!

Moving on, check out the approach angles of the planes in relation to the positioning of the cores. …



Notice how the North Tower takes a direct hit, perpendicular to the core, while the South Tower takes more of an angular hit, almost parallel to the core structure.

Now take this knowledge of the core positions and apply it to the following diagram…



As you can see, the fuel barely grazes the core of the South Tower, with most of it burning outside the building in a huge fireball, yet the South Tower is the first one to fall.

Why?

The official story claims it was because the tower was struck lower and had more weight on top of the area of the impact. In light of this theory, I still could not shake the memory of the explosions I heard and felt.

Apparently I was not the only one…

EYEWITNESSES SPEAK OUT

USA Today Interviews Final Survivor of WTC Disaster

The Account of Two Photographers of 911

Notice how the “hailstorm of debris” fell from the sky moments AFTER Halasay was thrown to the ground. This is a crucial detail!

What each of these witnesses are describing is known as the “shockwave effect”. When an explosion goes off, extremely high temperatures are generated in a small amount of time and space. This abrupt shift in temperature causes the air to push outwards with violent force, seeking to stabilize itself. The result is a blast of hot air radiating in all directions.

For more evidence of this effect, check out the following video footage of a Czech helicopter crew who was filming the events of 911…

WMV video of Helicopter Crew experiencing severe shockwave (180K)
If the collapse alone had caused this shockwave, there should have been a delayed reaction, but you can clearly see the helicopter getting thrown back by the blast of air just as the first bit of debris touches the ground. This video evidence shows that an explosion occured moments before the collapse.

If you are still skeptical, then lets have a look at some professional reports. Civilians and journalists were not the only ones to report explosions …

THE FIREMEN UNCENSORED

Firefighter Transcript Made Public

This transmission takes place a few moments before the North Tower Collapses…
MP3 of Firefighter Transmission (344K)

NBC Reporter Pat Dawson on the morning of 9-11

You simply HAVE to check out the following video clip…
MPEG film of NY firemen discussing the explosions. (4.8MB)

The explosions these firemen describe can be seen in this photo by Bill Biggert, a photographer who was killed by the dust cloud moments after taking this shot.



What you are seeing in this photo are large numbers of 12' sections of perimeter columns flying out ahead of the dust cloud in what is very clearly an explosive event. He got very close to the North Tower just before it fell, and captured some amazing pictures of its collapse and of the previous damage from the WTC-2 collapse. What is clear especially in Biggert's picture is that the building is turning to dust as or even before it falls.

Still not convinced? There is more…

THE SEISMOGRAPH

More explosive evidence comes from the seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, 21 miles north of the WTC. This facility recorded strange seismic activity on September 11 that has still not been explained.



The above image is a seismographical readout at the time of the attacks and collapse of the WTC. You can clearly see on the top line the small peaks of the planes impacts.

But here is where it gets interesting, check out those two really BIG spikes on the 3rd and 4th lines. Those spikes represent the collapse of the towers. Notice the shape of these spikes, the highest peak is actually at the beginning. A strange anomaly when you consider the nature of a collapse is more gradual than explosive, with the vibrations becoming more and more intense as each floor collapses onto the next.

But this isnt the case in the seismograph.

The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.

While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. Not only that, but these two unexplained spikes are more than twenty times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses!

This seismic record shows that as the collapses began - a huge seismic spike marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth.

THE EXPERTS SPEAK OUT

Asked about these spikes seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam, director of Columbia University's Center for Hazards and Risk Research told the American Free Press, "This is an element of current research and discussion. It is still being investigated." According to Lerner-Lam, "The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small."

A "sharp spike of short duration" is how seismologist Thorne Lay of Univ. of California at Santa Cruz told AFP an underground explosion appears on a seismograph. Another seismologist, Won-Young Kim, stated that the Palisades seismographs register daily underground explosions from a quarry 20 miles away. These blasts are caused by 80,000 lbs. of ammonium nitrate and cause local earthquakes between Magnitude 1 and 2.

Evidently, the energy source that shook the ground beneath the towers was many times more powerful than the total potential energy released by the falling mass of the huge towers.

DIGGING UP MORE EVIDENCE

To have a better understanding of what happened, lets take another look at how the WTC was built. Here is a photo of the construction of the towers foundation.



The foundations were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were 4 inches thick.

This is where clean-up crew discovered hot spots of "literally molten steel" more than a month after the collapse. Such persistent and intense residual heat, 70 feet below the surface, required the help of a professional.

A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) who arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation

American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. "Yes," he said, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These incredibly hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels," Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon.

What could have caused those box columns of 4-inch thick steel to melt like this?

EXAMINING THE HEAT OF GROUND ZERO

Five days after the collapse, on September 16, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) used an Airborne Visible/Infrared Imaging Spectrometer (AVIRIS) to locate and measure the site's hot spots.


http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-...ermal.r09.html

Dozens of hot spots were mapped. The hottest spots at the surface of the rubble, where abundant oxygen was available, showed a temperature of 1377° F (747° C). This is, however, less than half as hot at the molten steel in the basement.

Construction steel has an extremely high melting point of about 2,800° Fahrenheit (1535° Celsius). Kerosene-based jet fuel, paper, or the other combustibles normally found in the towers, cannot generate this much heat, especially in an oxygen-poor environment like a deep basement.

It should be noted that one of the few things capable of producing such extreme temperatures in these conditions is thermite, a chemical compound used in demolition explosives.

TOO HOT FOR JET FUEL

It has been calculated that if the entire 10,000 gallons of jet fuel from the aircraft was injected into just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with the perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor and that no heat escaped this floor by conduction, then the jet fuel could have only raised the temperature of this floor to, at the very most, 536°F (280°C). You can find the calculation here

Another reason that we know the fires were not serious enough to cause structural failure, is that witnesses tell us this. The impact floors of the south tower were 78-84. Here are a few words from some of the witnesses:

Stanley Praimnath was on the 81st floor of the south tower:

Donovan Cowan was in an open elevator at the 78th floor sky-lobby:

Ling Young was in her 78th floor office:

The official story claims that temperatures, exceeding 800 degrees Celsius, were hot enough to cause the trusses of the south tower to fail, but here we have eye-witnesses stating that temperatures were cool enough for them to walk away.

YOU BE THE JUDGE

Lets examine some video footage of these explosions. A few of these downloads may take a while, but are worth it if you are not yet convinced…

NORTH TOWER COLLAPSE (MPEG 4.3 MB)
This footage was shot by a camera mounted on a tripod. Notice how, moments before the collapse, the ground shakes for a full 3 seconds. This was the very same vibration I felt right before the towers fell!

[C.J.]

Continued...

THE SMOKING GUN OF WTC # 6

Now look at the scene below. This footage is the smoking gun evidence which shows one of the explosions going off moments before the collapse of the South Tower. (Note: this animated GIF is roughly 1 MB and may take a while to load for you dial-up users)



A massive explosion, witnessed by millions of television viewers on CNN, evidently devastated World Trade Center 6, the eight-story U.S. Customs building, although no national newspaper, other than American Free Press, has written a word about it.

Before the smoke had cleared from around the stricken South Tower, a mysterious explosion shot 550 feet into the air above the U.S. Customs House at WTC 6.

FEMA has stated that there was "no data collection" from WTC #6. Interesting that without collecting any data they still managed to put together the official story that this building was destroyed by rubble from the collapse of the North Tower. But if so then one would expect to see the remains of the building covered by rubble. Instead we see a huge crater. Here is a closer look at WTC #6 after it was demolished.



You have now seen photographic and video evidence of the explosions, but if you still have doubts, I saved the best part for last...

OWNER OF WTC ADMITS EXPLOSIVES WERE USED!

Listen to this PBS interview with Larry Silverstein, owner of the WTC, describing how he had Building #7 demolished!

MP3 of Silverstein “Pull It”

In the demolition industry, “pull” is the common term they use for demolishing buildings with explosives.

Silverman is talking about how a decision was made between him and the New York Fire Department to 'Pull' the building. And there is no doubt the meanings of his words, captured in context. He is admitting on public TV that a decision was made between him and the NYFD to use a controlled demolition to fell WTC 7 on 911. And all of this AFTER the official FEMA report, costing millions said otherwise, and they had all the experts.

In order to appreciate the severity of this evidence, you must first understand that demolishing a building is not something you can do in a few minutes by tossing explosives into a basement. It actually takes days of planning. First you have to pinpoint all the load-bearing structures, then you have to wire everything and set the cutting charges so they all go off in a pre-destined order. Which means that this demolition was planned long before 9-11!

Here is the footage of WTC 7 getting "pulled". Click on the image to view a close-up video of the explosive charges shooting up the building.



The official story to this day is that WTC 7 fell because of fire., just like Towers 1 & 2.

But we all know that “official” does not always mean “true”!

So now you have to ask yourself...



Why would this man destroy his own buildings?

Six months before the attacks on the World Trade Center, the World Trade Center was "privatized" by being leased to a private sector developer. The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion 6 weeks before 911. But the World Trade Towers were not the real estate prize the Silverstein Group might have been led to believe. The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. Other New York developers had been driven into bankruptcy by the costly mandated renovations, and $200 million represented an entire year's worth of revenues from the World Trade Towers.

The attacks on 9/11 changed the picture. Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, seperate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself.

As reported in The Washington Post, the insurance company, Swiss Re, has gone to court to argue that the 9/11 disaster was only one attack, not two and that therefore the insurance payout should be limited to $3.55 billion, still enough to rebuild the complex.

The destruction of the World Trade Towers may make Silverstein one of the wealthiest men alive.

COMMON SENSE

The towers fell in roughly 10 seconds, that is, that they fell at about the same rate that an object falls through air.

The fact that the towers fell this quickly (essentially at the rate of free-fall) is conclusive evidence that they were deliberately demolished.

Believing that there is nothing wrong with the towers collapsing so quickly, is roughly analogous to believing that people pass through closed doors as quickly as they pass through open doors.

The fact that they fell at such a rate means that they encountered essentially no resistance from the supposedly undamaged parts of the structure. That is, no resistance was encountered from any of the immensely strong parts of the structure that had held the building up for the last 30 years. This just doesn't happen, unless, of course, the lower part of the building has lost its structural integrity (And this is usually due to the detonation of a multitude of small explosive charges as seen in controlled demolitions).

You have seen the evidence. The footage, the eyewitness reports, the seismographs, the infrared shots, the molten steel. They all point to one thing…

The World Trade Center was not destroyed by terrorists. It was a controlled demolition, an inside job!

FEMA CLAIMS IGNORANCE

While steel is often tested for evidence of explosions, despite numerous eyewitness reports of explosions in the towers, the engineers involved in the FEMA-sponsored building assessment did no such tests.

Dr. W. Gene Corley, who investigated for the government the cause of the fire at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco and the Oklahoma City bombing, headed the FEMA-sponsored engineering assessment of the WTC collapse. Corley told AFP that while some tests had been done on the 80 pieces of steel saved from the site, he said he did not know about tests that show if an explosion had affected the steel. "I am not a metallurgist," he said.

SELLING THE EVIDENCE OVERSEAS

Much of the structural steel from the WTC was sold to Alan D. Ratner of Metal Management of Newark, New Jersey, and the New York-based company Hugo Neu Schnitzer East. Ratner, who heads the New Jersey branch of the Chicago-based company, quickly sold the WTC steel to overseas companies, reportedly selling more than 50,000 tons of steel to a Shanghai steel company known as Baosteel for $120 per ton. Ratner paid about $70 per ton for the steel. Other shipments of steel from the WTC went to India and other Asian ports.

So why have you not heard of this until now? Where is the media coverage? The public outrage?

WITNESSES SILENCED BY GOVERNMENT

Can you say "repression"?

NEW YORK COURT CENSORS TESTIMONIES OF 911

In other words, if a firefighter who was interviewed said, "I heard what sounded like explosions and I think it was bombs that took down those towers, it was all so horrible", the press will merely get the portion that says: "it was all so horrible".

There is more..

Translation for you non-lawyer types: The transcripts of tapes of the calls that people made to 911 on that day will not be released at all because the Court said they would invade the privacy of the surviving families - even though surviving family members indicated to the Court that they waived such rights to privacy.

There is one higher court in New York that this decision could be appealed to, the Court of Appeals, but I have seen no reports on whether the New York Times plans on appealing it. These same records will not even make it to the 9-11 Commission without deletions.

So much for justice for all! But the testimonies, the evidence and the truth are still there. All you have to do is search for them!

CONCLUSION

I understand that all this proof will only spawn more questions…

Why was this done?
Who was behind it?
What about the terrorists?

But alas, with my approach of leaving no stone unturned, the answers to these questions deserve posts of their own...

And that's a wrap. Don't even get me started on the pentagon.

[swifferman]

While I too thought everything that has happened in the past 3 years all very handy and deliberate, I never wanted to think this due to the disgrace and disrepect that it would show to the thousands who have died. To even guess that they might've died like this, and not by the hands of terrorists, is in a way insulting.

And while I believe that parts of this are true, I don't want to believe it.


Oh yeah, I dunno if this would be true, but his forced explosions theory...I dunno if that works or not, because he said it himself, the towers are constructed very sturdily. So those explosions, which were very small that he showed, according to his evidence, probably wouldn't have been strong enough to do something. Especially after I've seen conventional detonations and the extent at which debris and such flies out. These were much smaller. Perhaps, fuel pocket explosions? I don't know if the WTC's used natural gas or not...

EDIT: It should be noted that one of the few things capable of producing such extreme temperatures in these conditions is thermite, a chemical compound used in demolition explosives.

And here he's just jumping to absolute conclusions. If I wanted to, I could go find dozens of other chemicals present in the WTC building and do that. To jump directly to explosives is all a bit too ambitious i think.

[C.J.]

30 views and Swiff is the only one with the balls to reply?

I was hoping to see Viper in here.

[The Dude]

What site did you get this off of?

Because as of now I refuse to belive it.

[advancemonkey]

... I just don't know what to say I am not smart enough to disprove all of this, but you got to figure the 9-11 comission answered this somehow. And I would like someone like Viper to come in here to... I cant disprove this, but it kinda leaves a lot of holes in the presance of reason.

[Lammie]

Interesting. I've read alot about the Pentagon, and that seems alot more suss than the info on the WTC. Ie: the security footage reveals somehting that looks entirely unlike a Boeing 767 (or whatever type of plane supposedly hit the Pentagon) and a hole punched in the wall of the Pentagon is about the size of a missile - as well as damage to the Pentagon being unlike what would be expected of such a lage aircraft.

I'll try and find some links.

Oh, and here's an interesting video clip of one of the WTC towers collapsing. If you look close you can see what appears to be small detonations going off out the sides of the building.

(You have to unzip it to play it)

[Bryan]

Maybe it was a terrorist attack that they decided to capitalize on.

[Viper]

OOOhhh, nice C.J., nice. *grabs Dr. Pepper get's settled in*

************I do not have video capabilities at the moment (see Geek threads) so this is based on text and the videos already displayed but not the links...I'm also going with the the comminality of JP fuels and not kerosene fuels.***********


Accurate sketch of the floorplan vs the BBC version....


Now that is just stupid. The BBC version was not intended for accuracy in the structural layout, it's a CGI mock up that is designed to be easily seen and understood.

On a side note, a 747 is much bigger than a 707.



Flight 175 fuel distribution:




Having been hit lower increases the pressure on the support beams, higher pressure increases temperature, it hit melting point first because of it.




Photographer witness accounts:


Ronald DiFrancesco: An elevator collapsed and compressed natural gas and jet fuel as it fell causing the explosion (I'll touch more on this as it is actuall why the towers fell).

Taken from the article:
"then felt the rumble of the collapsing building.

"Instinctively I lifted the camera up, and something took over that probably saved my life. And that was to run...."

A building is collapsing behind him and he feels a 'shock wave'. That is to be expected of course.


"Don Halasy’s recollection of the north tower's collapse:

"As I turned to run, a wall of warm air came barrelling toward me. I tried to outrace it...."

Same thing. Read the articles, it makes mention that both take place as the towers are falling, not before as stated in this quote...
"Handschuh was thrown under a vehicle, which probably saved him from the falling debris, he said,"

Explanation of the shock waves: In any moving object, there is airflow around it. The larger the object, the larger the field of airflow. Something the size and mass of the twin towers would produce an enormous shockwave as it compacts the air around the falling debris and can literally blow people away.



The Fireman explosions:


Let's see, 50,000 lbs of jp4-8 inside a callasping building that also contains natural gas and possible other accelerants and 'explosions' are somehow unexpected?




Natural gas lines do run up and down the floors. As it runs through the lines, the 'exlosions' go from the higher floors to the lower floors.



THE SEISMOGRAPH:


Comparing the siesmic vibrations from the 747 impacts to the 'spikes' is simply tremendous. The explosions from impact would be much greater than demolition siesmic vibrations. Those spikes are from the collasping of the towers.



The article says the colapse is explosive and not gradual yet look at the initial impact and you see no vibrations leading intot eh inpact but on the collapse, you do. Remember it only too8-10 seconds to fall so why do we see a 2-3 second lead in? If it were explosive, like the impacts of the 747, there would not be a gradual build up.

A comparison of the impacts, collapse and the quarry explosions.

Distance to Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York
Trade Towers - 21 miles
The quarry - 20 miles away

It takes 80,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate underground blasts to make a Magnitude 1 and 2. There was a 2.1 and 2.3 in the collapses. Now tell me what kind of explosive can cause an eathquake of near that magnitude from 1,000 feet in the air? All with no one witnessing their installation?


The heat and bringing down the house:


First off as was stated, it takes days of perparation to bring down any building. Now imagine how long it would take to set up 2 of the tallest buildings in the world and no one saw a thing?

How to get jp4-8 that hot. You compress it and mix it with other accelerants, such as natural gas, and you increase the heat.

Take this for example. The gasses and fuels get into an elevator shaft and burnt eh cables causing the elevator above to come crashing down just like a piston in a cars combustion engine. The pressurized explosion is much greater than just an oxygen based only explosion and would generate enough heat to melt the foundation and remain warm for a while.


As for building 7, I'm not even going to go into that since the guy admitted to blowing it up but I must say, impeccable timing to blowup one of your buildings the same day terrorists blow up 2 of your other buildings.


Getting tired or I might have given it a shot too.

[peasantlover]

yawn. The Stone masons are behind it all. (rolls eyes)

[C.J.]

PL - You just reminded me how much longer I have to wait for Dan Brown's next book.

[Viper]

Originally Posted by C.J.

PL - You just reminded me how much longer I have to wait for Dan Brown's next book.

Too long and yes, I thought Da Vinci Code too as I read that.

[C.J.]

Not so much Da Vinci code though, since his next book is based almsot entirely in the masons' society.

[Viper]

I need to get Angels and Demons first anyway.


PS: So how was my post?

[Dorbin]

Some of that conspiracy theory stuff sounds convincing, other parts of it do not. Viper made several good points though, and that coupled with the fact that I think it would be awfully hard for this Mr. Silverstein to pull the whole thing off, I just don't believe it. Look at this quote:

"The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion 6 weeks before 911."

So, unless I am reading this wrong (I'll admit I read your post quite fast), Mr. Silverman, in less than 6 weeks time, decided to blow up his own buildings, managed to acquire the explosions needed, rig all of them, and then coordinate all of this flawlessly with Islamic terrorists, to the extent that he was able to rig the buildings for explosion at roughly the same time as the planes impacting on the towers (or rather, have them conveniently ready for remote detonation at the proper time)? Please correct me if I got the implication of what that part of your article was making wrong, seeing as I did read it fast, but it that was indeed the implication...what the freak type of off-the-wall impossible conspiracy theory is that?

[swifferman]

Yay! Viper agrees with my explosions theory!

+rep for me!

Anybody?


I hate you all.

[Sandman]

I agree basically with what Viper said.

[goku2057]

Good Read.

[seraph]

i still dont know what to believe on this... its way too mind boggling

[Viper]

I've come into some new evidence in the other conspiracy thread that involved the Pentagon. Many are claiming a missile hit it and not a jet.