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Old 05-09-2004, 10:45 PM
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Whats This? Terrorists that AREN'T Muslims!

LAFIA, Nigeria (Reuters) - Thousands of Nigerian Muslims fled the town of Yelwa Friday after an attack by Christian militia killed hundreds of their townsfolk Sunday.

Dirty and exhausted, the refugees sought police escorts to take them to neighboring Bauchi and Nassarawa states fearing that Christians in surrounding villages would try to kill them as they left, a Red Cross worker said.

``Thousands of displaced people have crossed into Bauchi from Yelwa and the surrounding area,` said Umar Mairiga, who led a Red Cross team to the area Thursday.

``They are using police escorts to take them out of the area completely because militant Christians have mounted roadblocks on the roads,` he added.

The origin of the conflict between the Christian Tarok and the Muslim Fulani is rooted in their competing claims over the fertile farmlands of Plateau state in central Nigeria.

But it has been stoked religious hatred and the sense among the Christian population that Muslims are outsiders in Plateau.

Survivors of the Yelwa massacre said they had buried 630 corpses in several mass graves around the remote market town after Sunday`s attack. It was not possible to confirm the figure independently, but a senior policeman spoke of ``hundreds` dead.

Presidential spokeswoman Remi Oyo said 630 dead was an exaggeration, but offered no further information.

The Yelwa attack was the latest in a three-month-long conflict between Muslim and Christian groups vying for control of Plateau state.

Before Sunday, the fighting had already killed at least 350 people on both sides, according to witnesses, military and Red Cross sources. The government routinely does not confirm death tolls in religious fighting for fear of reprisal attacks by those sympathetic to the victims.

Nigeria`s population of 130 million is split roughly equally between Muslims and Christians.

More than 5,000 have been killed in religious and political violence since 2000, when 12 northern Nigerian states decided to establish Sharia Islamic law.

Ethnic fighting in Nigeria, the world`s seventh largest oil exporter, has hit oil exports in the past, but Yelwa is hundreds of miles from any oilfields.

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Armed with assault rifles and machetes, Christians went from house to house in Yelwa slaughtering men, women and children, survivors said. Some corpses showed signs of mutilation and sexual abuse, a Reuters eyewitness said.

``It was an organized killing,` said Justice Abdulkadir Orire who, as secretary-general of Jama`atu Nasril Islam, is a leader of Nigeria`s 60 million Muslims.

``The people doing the shooting were retired police or military. That`s why we want a judicial inquiry to get to the root of the genocide,` he said. Mairiga said skirmishes and isolated killings were still happening in villages around Yelwa, despite a heavier presence of riot police in the area.

Mairiga, who led the first medical team to visit the town on Thursday, said he was overwhelmed by the needs of the injured.

``There are so many people with gunshot wounds,` he said.

``Some had bullets in their heads, others in their tummies or shoulders.`

Mairiga said the local government had put medical supplies in the general hospital at Shendam, a predominantly Christian village about 7 miles from Yelwa, but the Muslim victims were to afraid to go there.

``The people in Yelwa think they will be massacred if they go there,` Mairiga said.

Yelwa had already witnessed one of the worst atrocities of the conflict in February, when Muslim militia killed almost 100 Christians, including 48 killed in a church that they later burned.
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A terrorist doesn't mean he has to be from any kind of religion automatically. I hope people realize that just because there are muslim and christian terrorist doesn't mean it that that's what that religion is always like.
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Old 05-09-2004, 10:55 PM
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that's correct Alpha, terrorism doesn't necessairly have to do with a religion and i truly doubt within the actual context of a religion does it say or hint that terrorism is correct.
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Alpha, Kliq was being sarcastic.

I wish someone would interview the Pope about this or something...
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i really hope no one ever thought that terrorism needs religion to be effective...
No religion preches terrorism.
Although some people sadly like to intrepretate it that way.
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hahahaha...


What we'll never see, is a non-religious terrorist group.
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Chechnian terrorists are often muslims but they dont blow things up in russia because theyre muslim. They just want russia out of chechnia.
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that's correct Alpha, terrorism doesn't necessairly have to do with a religion and i truly doubt within the actual context of a religion does it say or hint that terrorism is correct.
Too bad whenever someone thinks of a terrorists the first thing that pops up in an average Americans head is "islam" or "muslims".

Blame the media.
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Old 05-10-2004, 01:39 AM
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Too bad whenever someone thinks of a terrorists the first thing that pops up in an average Americans head is "islam" or "muslims".

Blame the media.
Gee, I wonder why. Maybe it's because of all the Muslims blowing themselves up in different parts of the world everyday in the name of Allah, so they can go to heaven and be joined by 64 virgins? Nice link, by the way, I love how you prove that it's a legit article. Islam has replaced Christianity as my most disliked religion in the past few monthes, and I don't see it switching back.
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What we'll never see, is a non-religious terrorist group.
What about that dude who bombed that building in Oklahoma City? Eco Terrorists? Those crazy hippies who steal chimps? PETA? Eh? EH?
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Yeah here in America we have the ETA, a bunch of environmental fucks who don't realize they're harming the ecosystems around them by blowing shit up as opposed to doing something civil. They're the ones who blew-up all those Hummers and SUV's over the summer in California, and they also destroyed a company here in Michigan.... I think it was a logging company, not sure.

PETA = a bunch of fuckwads too.
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Gee, I wonder why. Maybe it's because of all the Muslims blowing themselves up in different parts of the world everyday in the name of Allah, so they can go to heaven and be joined by 64 virgins? Nice link, by the way, I love how you prove that it's a legit article. Islam has replaced Christianity as my most disliked religion in the past few monthes, and I don't see it switching back.
Gee ... thanks for your unwanted sarcasm. And I've said it before and will say it AGAIN ... Muslims don't CONSIDER these terrorists as Muslims. I don't go to my Mosque every Friday and here the people there going "YO MAN! Did you see that one guy who blew the shit out of those Americans!"

Nah man, we see it differently. It's a minority of faggots giving the majority of the religion a bad name. A bad thing too.

And as for the link you loved so much ... here it is: http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=5077065

EDIT: And judging by THIS ARTICLE YOU POSTED, Muslims aren't the only ones blowing shit up.
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Well, the IRA are terrorists. They're Christians. To a certain extent, you could call the Russian Mafia (who have nuclear weapons) the Yakuza (Japanese Mafia) and the Triads (Chinese Mafia) terrorists because they deal with other terrorists and they inflict damage on other people just to make money. They have no religion, only an ideology of greed and loyalty to their boss.

Ah, makes you wish for the Cold War. At least then you knew who the enemy was.
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Terrorism is killing people to get your political point across. Gangsters and mafia members only want to make money. In fact, they would probably prefer that the government pays them no attention at all.
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Gee ... thanks for your unwanted sarcasm. And I've said it before and will say it AGAIN ... Muslims don't CONSIDER these terrorists as Muslims. I don't go to my Mosque every Friday and here the people there going "YO MAN! Did you see that one guy who blew the shit out of those Americans!"
I think Christians see it the same way. These "Militant Christians" don't deserve to call themselves Christians.
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I think Christians see it the same way. These "Militant Christians" don't deserve to call themselves Christians.
Yea I'm sure they don't, I was just trying to point out that Muslims are't the only ones.
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We know that Muslims aren't the only ones. They're the majority, but they're not the only ones. Majority... minus all the African genocides going on in the past few years.
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Terrorism is killing people to get your political point across. Gangsters and mafia members only want to make money. In fact, they would probably prefer that the government pays them no attention at all.
Not necessarily killing people. I think the one animal rights group you were thinking of before was Greenpeace. They're just funny as shit to watch though.
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Yeah, killing people, damaging property, it's all terrorist fun!
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