some new info on gamelineup and PS3 itself

[black_13]

Shamelessly taken from Zbox who originally typed it all up from the new PSM magazine. And sorry if these were known or if it was all posted before.

Playstation 3 Uncovered!

PSM's information came from developers. Some on the record, some off.

....particularly when it comes to ease of development for the system: how it cmpares to PS2, and more importantly, Xbox 360. "The *****ing this round sounds opposite of the last. Both are friendly, but the PS3 may actually be friendlier," reports one of out PS2 and Xbox 360 development sources, who wished to remain anonymous. "People are finding that the [xbox] 360 has some stupid bottlenecks."

Developers will soon learn more about the ins-and-outs of creating PS3 games, as Sony has started taking orders for final development hardware to be delivered by December. At that time, game creators will be able to tell just how much mroe extra polish they can put on their titles without worrying about them crapping out on a retail PS3.

The latest on PS3's power
"Once we have final hardware for both next-gen systems, we'll have a much better idea of how they caompare, but the general consensus right now is that the PS3 is considerably more powerful than the X360 across the board," said another source. "It's important to get a good idea of which is the most powerful soon, since multi-platform games will need to be either ported down from PS3 to 360 or vice-versa."

Speaking of multi-platforming games, another of our next-gen contatcts chimed in with the following when we asked them, flat out, which system will ultimatelyl have the best looking games. "Only the games that are exclusive to tiether system will be real technical showcases,"adding "There will be strong points for each, but the cross platform games will most likely look and perform almost identically."

PS3's Promising Online Support

In addition to all of the cool Wi-Fi-based PSP to PS3 functionality we've previously reported Sony is working on (transferring media and save data between the two anywhere in the world at a hotspot), there's some actual news to report on the online gameplay front. not only that, it's pretty good. (Although the gradual diminishing of Sony's PS2 online plans over that console's life will always have us taking their goals in this department with a grain of salt.)

PS3 is slated to have an actual online community ready to back it up on day one, complete with friend tracking, message services, and a central hub for everything. If it sounds like xbox Live, it should. Sony has been folloowing M$'s moves, and, well, plans to copy most of them, according to our sources. "They [Sony CEA] have a whole division that was put in place after the Network Adaptor was released for PS2 that bascially dropped focus on PS2 and moved to planning the PS3," says one designer working on an online PS3 title. "They knew that early that they were not going to compete during the current gen."

Ramping up for an early release?
There's been a lot of talk about Sony's E3 2005 proclamation that PS3 would ship in the spring of 2006. A lot. Would it be in Japan only, or were they talking about the U.S. too? Questioned further on the topic, Sony execs have since stuck to their guns, saying that the system would be available worldwide before next summer. Is that even posssible?

Yes. However, there's the question of launch games and system price. (Ok, here it goes into some things about what Ken Kutaragi said (and a few other things) about the pricing, but we all already know about that so I wont' post it)


PS3 will have a limited playable presence at TGS 2005. Sony has told PSm to expect a significant presence for the system at January's CES in Las Vegas. If a March launch does occur, it owuld be accompanied by only a couple of first-party titles, another two to three from EA, and one title at most from their other thrid parties. Madden NFL football developer Tiburon has had PS3 dev hardware longer than almost any other U.S. developer. Rockstar North has had stable kits since at least August 2005.

There's a lot of talk among the PS3 developer community about the importance of being firt-to-market, or at least not letting M$ get too much of an installed base before PS3 ships. The general feeling is that Sony considers xbox 360 to be a possible contender in this generation, so they're not going to just rest on their laurels. In fact, developers report that Sony Japan is taking a much more hands-on role in the U.S. luanch of PS3 than it did with PS2 or PSP. Shades of the PS2 luanch, there.

GTA 4: Rebuilt from the Ground Up

The next GTA game is going to look really good. Actually, maybe that should be feel really good. It's a no-brainer that on the most powerful games console yet, one of our favorite series will have better graphics. But, base on developer Rockstar North's technical research, GTA4 will be more about immersion than just mere eye candy.

Rockstar North is creating a specialized game engine for PS3 that will rbing GTA 4 to life to a degree that the PS2 games could only hint at. Speciafially, they're going to be using the high data transfer bandwidth of the Cell CPU, RSX GPU, and Blu-ray Disc to use several streams of game info simultaneously. The game's city- unfortunately yet to be even hinted at- will still be free roaming and seamless, but broken down into smaller, more deatailed areas at the engine level, into which the game designers are going to eb able to pour more textures, more oject variety, and tons of details (such as discareded soda cans with their own physics), just for starters. The goal is a city that's less repetitive and where everything - and everyone- looks and acts mroe like they would in the real world on every level.


MGS 4 Becomes a War Zone

One source has described the game to PSM as "a cross between Rambo and Black Hawk Down," with Solid Snake plunged into the middle of a high-intesntiy urban war zone where artillery is taking out cover all aroudn him and AI controlled "sidekicks" fight alongside him as if they were actual human-controlled characters. The new 3D camera will paly a big role in surviving the fight quarters and constantly changing cover.

Kojima has an update on teh game planned for TGS.

Now onto the new list of the gamelineup for the PS3...

The PS3 Game Lineup So Far

Activision
Spider-Man 3

Bandai
Mobile Suit Gundam

EA
NFSU 3
Madden NFL 2007
Medal of Honor
NBA Live 2007
Fight Night Round 3
Def Jam 3
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2007
New SSX
New Burnout

Majesco
The Darkness

Buena Vista Interactive
Pirates of the caribbean: dead man's chest

Capcom
Return of a "beloved fighting franchise"
New Ghouls N' Ghosts
DMC 4
RE 5

Rockstar
GTA 4
Western-themed action game (likely Red Dead Revolver 2)

Sony
New Team ICO project
Genji 2
Warhawk
I-8
The Getaway 3
Killzone 3
GT 5
New Hot Shots Golf
MotorStorm
Eyedentify
Heavenly Sword
Formula One 2007
New Wipeout

Sony Online Entertainment
Marvel comics MMORPG (thought this was going to be exclusive to XB360?)
Untitled Fantasy MMORPG

Namco
Tekken 6
Ridge Racer 6

Eidos
Tomb raider Next-gen

Lucas Arts
Star Wars: Clone Wars
indiana Jones (launch with new movie)

Konami
MGS4
Suikoden V
Castlevania

Midway
UT 2007
Mortal Kombat
Stranglehold

Atair
Test Drive Unlimited

THQ
New WWE Project

Sega
Fifth Phantom Saga
Sonic The Hedgehog
Condemned: Criminal Origans

Tecmo
Fatal Frame 4

Ubisoft
Prince of Persia 4
Killing Day

Koei
Ni-oh

Also in developemnt...
Dark Secotr, Dirty Harry, Battle Angel, Alita, Project Avalon, Endless Saga, Lair, Possession, Death Jr., Metronome, Psychopath, FF XIII, Alan Wake

[Yo MaMa84]

WOW......nice find dude

[tazz3]

THATS awsome.
i cant waite to see the next gen medal of honor

[Black Dragon37]

Holy shit...

We've underestimaed Sony for far too long! O_O

[Ocelot9]

Originally Posted by Black Dragon37

Holy shit...

We've underestimaed Sony for far too long! O_O

Isn't Oblivion supposed to be coming out on PS3 as well?

[Metal Sphere]

Originally Posted by Jupiter

Isn't Oblivion supposed to be coming out on PS3 as well?

No, because the PS3 won't have a hard drive standard. Which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense because the Xbox 360 doesn't have it standard either.

[n1n9tean]

Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

No, because the PS3 won't have a hard drive standard. Which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense because the Xbox 360 doesn't have it standard either.

That's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo unofficial.

[Metal Sphere]

Originally Posted by n1n9tean

That's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo unofficial.

Check Gamespot or IGN. That's exactly what they said. B.S. now that we know neither has a hard drive standard? Yup, but that's Bethesda for you.

[n1n9tean]

it's still not official until Sony announces the details....they've said over and over that they're still deciding the size of the hard drive and whether it will come standard.

[Z]

New Team ICO project!? New Wipeout?!
please God make it true! Daddy needs his babies damn it!!



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PS3 Team ICO project in 5 days!

[Metal Sphere]

Originally Posted by n1n9tean

it's still not official until Sony announces the details....they've said over and over that they're still deciding the size of the hard drive and whether it will come standard.

Bethesda already gave them the finger even though they haven't decided. I bet (that's right, I'm betting) that the PS3 won't get Oblivion even if Sony announces a hard drive standard.

[xbdestroya]

Metal Sphere's right, this has been handed down by Bethesda themselves. If the developer is saying they're not targeting PS3, what does it matter what Sony says? I'm hoping the game will eventually find it's way, but that being said I plan on getting it for PC anyway, so I'm ok with no Oblivion.

PS - Great find Black 13!

[Z]

I think the list is old. I think Oblivion was once included PS3, but they since have dropped the project. as for now, it is an X2/PC title only. Sony NEVER said the game will be on PS3. this is Sony themselves. if they say it will be on PS3, then you know they took every measure not to shoot themselves and make a great embarresment of themselves.


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PS3 Team ICO project in 5 days!

[Junox50]

Aw man, no Rumble Roses: XX from Konami? Darn! Guess it will be a while before they announce it for PS3. I'm so impatient. I know its coming, but I wish they would announce to kill the suspence.

[Z]

actually, I would prefere them to sit on it. that way, there is a better chance we'll get a better version with better graphics. I even hope to get the game after this one being built from the ground up with three things in mind; P..S..3

I am looking forward to seeing exactly how much difference the finished X2 will run graphics compared to the 6 month early PS3.

[Metal Sphere]

What's odd is that I don't see Project Force on that list.

[Garfunkel]

GTA GTA GTA GTA GTA

YES, BRING IT ON ROCKSTAR!

[curryking1]

GTA 4: Rebuilt from the Ground Up

The next GTA game is going to look really good. Actually, maybe that should be feel really good. It's a no-brainer that on the most powerful games console yet, one of our favorite series will have better graphics. But, base on developer Rockstar North's technical research, GTA4 will be more about immersion than just mere eye candy.

Rockstar North is creating a specialized game engine for PS3 that will rbing GTA 4 to life to a degree that the PS2 games could only hint at. Speciafially, they're going to be using the high data transfer bandwidth of the Cell CPU, RSX GPU, and Blu-ray Disc to use several streams of game info simultaneously. The game's city- unfortunately yet to be even hinted at- will still be free roaming and seamless, but broken down into smaller, more deatailed areas at the engine level, into which the game designers are going to eb able to pour more textures, more oject variety, and tons of details (such as discareded soda cans with their own physics), just for starters. The goal is a city that's less repetitive and where everything - and everyone- looks and acts mroe like they would in the real world on every level.


MGS 4 Becomes a War Zone

One source has described the game to PSM as "a cross between Rambo and Black Hawk Down," with Solid Snake plunged into the middle of a high-intesntiy urban war zone where artillery is taking out cover all aroudn him and AI controlled "sidekicks" fight alongside him as if they were actual human-controlled characters. The new 3D camera will paly a big role in surviving the fight quarters and constantly changing cover.

Kojima has an update on teh game planned for TGS.

If these two things are true, there is absolutely no game that can come out for any system and get a market share greater than that of Sony. Unless MS pulls another Halo game at the launch up the 360 (hahahahha, you need a first person shooter with mass appeal with the sci fi weaponry, cool baddies and other things that halo has to do that, and don't even bother telling me PDZ will be that game... I highly doubt it can become a 'killer app')

PS3 is slated to have an actual online community ready to back it up on day one, complete with friend tracking, message services, and a central hub for everything. If it sounds like xbox Live...

I know everyone will be like "Of course we need something like Xbox Live, it is the most feature rich online gaming component ever!" And I do agree, I can only dream of what it is like (none of my friends have Xbox either) and I do think it is probably stunning (with chat and lots of Halo 2 servers, I love halo lol, I wanna get Halo 2 on my computer so bad...).

The problem is paying for this online service...

I would rather that Sony let the developers and publishers sort out their games' online capabilities and run their own servers. Come now, how many people in the PC gaming world subscribe to play their games online? I don't pay for Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne when I play online on Bnet, yet it is still the most intuitive online game browsing thing I think this side of Xbox Live. It may not have thousands of features but it is so intuitive and simple to talk to friends, meet new people, make clans, make arranged team games, or just start a game with random people. And if you have WarIII you'll know of the custom map DOTA. There are tens of thousands of custom maps for War III, so many different kinds of games, and you don't have to pay a cent for any of them!

Obviously Blizzard is very potent company but if the choice of having payment and having it is not left up to developers and publishers, there will be consumer bases to be lost. Think of how great it would be to market 'Free Online Service' (with small caption reading some exceptions apply) to run against Xbox Live with it's 49.99 USD monthly fee!

News runs around about how many people play SOCOM2 and how many people are on WoWarcraft. If developers know that lots of people play online PS3 b/c it is (mostly) free, developers will be inclined to bring games to PS3. More games equals more publicity for PS3 equals more PS3s sold equals more online players equals more developer eyes on PS3. It's a frekking vicious cycle (vicious cycle is actually the appropriate term for this kind of phenonemon, exists in marketing, sciences, etc.) that ends in infinite profit for all people involved in PS3 (except for consumers buying all these games lol and the PS3 lol).

Crap there's a few more things I wanted to add but I have to go as of this part of my post.

[Domination]

Originally Posted by Black Dragon37

Holy shit...

We've underestimaed Sony for far too long! O_O

This info should not have been surprising. As I said before, when Sony launched the PS2 they were, at the time, competing with Sega and likely Nintendo's management. They were not competing with Microsoft. Microsoft swooped in unnoticeably, yet abrupty to where Sony had few plans and time to retract what had already been done to the PS2 console that was readying its launch. Therefore, they road it out. Microsoft took full advantage of that, and that is why they are being seen as they are now.

I have said many, many times that Microsoft is a very formidable competitor to Sony. Thinking Sony was going to set back twiddling their thumbs as Microsoft rolled pass them is absurd. Sony is known for adapting to stiff competition.

Much support to Black 13 for the topic. I just got mine in the mail today. I just wish it didn't take a magazine for the public to realize this, though.

[Domination]

Originally Posted by curryking1

If these two things are true, there is absolutely no game that can come out for any system and get a market share greater than that of Sony. Unless MS pulls another Halo game at the launch up the 360 (hahahahha, you need a first person shooter with mass appeal with the sci fi weaponry, cool baddies and other things that halo has to do that, and don't even bother telling me PDZ will be that game... I highly doubt it can become a 'killer app')



I know everyone will be like "Of course we need something like Xbox Live, it is the most feature rich online gaming component ever!" And I do agree, I can only dream of what it is like (none of my friends have Xbox either) and I do think it is probably stunning (with chat and lots of Halo 2 servers, I love halo lol, I wanna get Halo 2 on my computer so bad...).

The problem is paying for this online service...

I would rather that Sony let the developers and publishers sort out their games' online capabilities and run their own servers. Come now, how many people in the PC gaming world subscribe to play their games online? I don't pay for Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne when I play online on Bnet, yet it is still the most intuitive online game browsing thing I think this side of Xbox Live. It may not have thousands of features but it is so intuitive and simple to talk to friends, meet new people, make clans, make arranged team games, or just start a game with random people. And if you have WarIII you'll know of the custom map DOTA. There are tens of thousands of custom maps for War III, so many different kinds of games, and you don't have to pay a cent for any of them!

Obviously Blizzard is very potent company but if the choice of having payment and having it is not left up to developers and publishers, there will be consumer bases to be lost. Think of how great it would be to market 'Free Online Service' (with small caption reading some exceptions apply) to run against Xbox Live with it's 49.99 USD monthly fee!

News runs around about how many people play SOCOM2 and how many people are on WoWarcraft. If developers know that lots of people play online PS3 b/c it is (mostly) free, developers will be inclined to bring games to PS3. More games equals more publicity for PS3 equals more PS3s sold equals more online players equals more developer eyes on PS3. It's a frekking vicious cycle (vicious cycle is actually the appropriate term for this kind of phenonemon, exists in marketing, sciences, etc.) that ends in infinite profit for all people involved in PS3 (except for consumers buying all these games lol and the PS3 lol).

Crap there's a few more things I wanted to add but I have to go as of this part of my post.

That is exactly what I love about PlayStation Online; it's free. It's not so much that the fee for Xbox Live is too much money to pay out. It's the fact that I don't know how often I'll be gaming online. If I'm not taking advantage of it at that time, then I feel I shouldn't have to pay for it. I believe that's where the preferred titles online fall-in at, and I think that's a pet-peeve for most consumers.